I don't like these click n win abilities like the planes either.
Also the ammo costs on some of these offmaps are completely fucked. A bombing run is 250 and almost useless unless moon and Venus align and then there is offmap artillery for the same costs which blows everything in a 3km radius sky high. Without warning flares.
remove sector artillery and IL2 attacks
22 Dec 2013, 13:31 PM
#21
Posts: 644
5 OP OH tanks in front of your base
blow one up, slap it around
7 OP OH tanks in front of your base
blow one up, slap it around
7 OP OH tanks in front of your base
22 Dec 2013, 13:36 PM
#22
Posts: 2807 | Subs: 6
mad?
22 Dec 2013, 13:41 PM
#23
Posts: 644
Strafe (skillplane) needs nerf. It causes squad wipes even when you instantly retreat your infantry.
It also interrupts retreat, which I don't think is WAD.
5 OP OH tanks in front of your base
blow one up, slap it around
7 OP OH tanks in front of your base
blow one up, slap it around
7 OP OH tanks in front of your base
22 Dec 2013, 13:43 PM
#24
Posts: 2807 | Subs: 6
in next patch units behaviour under Ił-2 attacks will be changed, hopefully in good way
22 Dec 2013, 13:45 PM
#25
Posts: 644
Stuka strafe will kill a full health IS2 on it own now if the IS2 is engine damaged.
At least these abilities are late game and require a lot of munis. Relic moved away from American airborne strafe and Infantry arty at 2 CP which instantly countered the 1st pak for a quick M8.
They made arty more late game.
Which I don't actually agree with, because tanks are already pounding infantry hard in this game and then you get genocide everything buttons on top of it.
A quicker, weaker strafe for trades mid-game is preferable to this. Or those offmaps prefer dealing damage to tanks, I dunno.
5 OP OH tanks in front of your base
blow one up, slap it around
7 OP OH tanks in front of your base
blow one up, slap it around
7 OP OH tanks in front of your base
22 Dec 2013, 16:49 PM
#26
Posts: 688
Nope, they're both fine. Learn to adapt. Play smarter and think more strategically.
And how will that help my units that get strafed during retreat?
'There's honour in victory, honour in defeat and honour in just staying alive'.
[Quote from Wings Reel]
[Quote from Wings Reel]
22 Dec 2013, 18:16 PM
#27
Posts: 574
Please do not remove them. 
22 Dec 2013, 18:57 PM
#28
Posts: 324 | Subs: 2
The IL2 strafing run needs some adjustments.
Paying 240 munitions to force the retreat of the whole army is fine. If it kills some units while doing so - ok. But when it continues to kill your army in your base afterwards, something is seriously wrong. (The same goes for the german strafing run.)
You can't expect to balance the ability with the presence of anti-air, because at least in 1v1 there is seldom a window for an ostwind. (If a shot down plane wouldn't randomly one shot full health tanks, that would be great by the way)
So... decrease the search radius so it doesnt't target units in your base, how about that?
Sector artillery is mostly avoidable and part of pretty lackluster doctrines already, so i don't see a big problem with that.
Paying 240 munitions to force the retreat of the whole army is fine. If it kills some units while doing so - ok. But when it continues to kill your army in your base afterwards, something is seriously wrong. (The same goes for the german strafing run.)
You can't expect to balance the ability with the presence of anti-air, because at least in 1v1 there is seldom a window for an ostwind. (If a shot down plane wouldn't randomly one shot full health tanks, that would be great by the way)
So... decrease the search radius so it doesnt't target units in your base, how about that?
Sector artillery is mostly avoidable and part of pretty lackluster doctrines already, so i don't see a big problem with that.
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"Axis can STALL2WIN to get to that late game, there is really no hope for USF competitively short of getting the best side of the best USF maps and being an order of magnitude better than your opponent." - SageOfTheSix, after losing to Jesulin's Ostheer on Semoskiy Winter
"Axis can STALL2WIN to get to that late game, there is really no hope for USF competitively short of getting the best side of the best USF maps and being an order of magnitude better than your opponent." - SageOfTheSix, after losing to Jesulin's Ostheer on Semoskiy Winter
22 Dec 2013, 19:45 PM
#29
Posts: 307
Please don't remove IL-2 strafing run - my favorite toy. Nothing humiliates poor Germans better than this...
And to be serious, yes radius decrease would be ok, so it would be more "local" weapon. Price should go down as well to 200 per run.
And to be serious, yes radius decrease would be ok, so it would be more "local" weapon. Price should go down as well to 200 per run.
Vae Victis!
22 Dec 2013, 23:39 PM
#30
Posts: 329
Permanently Bannedremove them, you know why relic, its not funny stupid clowns
DAT RAGE
23 Dec 2013, 03:11 AM
#31
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And how will that help my units that get strafed during retreat?
Don't blob them
23 Dec 2013, 10:20 AM
#32
Posts: 688
And if I don't blob them, you think it's OK they get killed on retreat?
'There's honour in victory, honour in defeat and honour in just staying alive'.
[Quote from Wings Reel]
[Quote from Wings Reel]
23 Dec 2013, 10:49 AM
#33
Posts: 952
Why not change the target reticle to a circle (visible to the commie player only), have the Nazis see the standard red flare smoke, and have the IL2 only attack within the circle and not one inch further?
It might necessitate a cost decrease or increase in strafe loiter time depending on the size of the circle, but there'll be no problem with retreating units getting chewed up miles from where the strafe was called in. It could retain it's lethality - or even get increased damage- on victims that remain in the deadzone.
23 Dec 2013, 11:35 AM
#34
Posts: 1003
And if I don't blob them, you think it's OK they get killed on retreat?
If I use high-end commander abbility and pay lots of muni? Yes
If most expensive abbilities do nothing, why have it?
I want to have the same chance, to win for each side.
23 Dec 2013, 14:03 PM
#35
Posts: 307
If they decrease its price and its range to a circle and increase the damage - this will make strafing run an anti-tank weapon. Soviets already have one - IL2 bombing run.
I think just a slight decrease in range and price to 200 would work.
I think just a slight decrease in range and price to 200 would work.
Vae Victis!
23 Dec 2013, 14:06 PM
#36
Posts: 307
And also don't forget that the current price is 240 muni which makes it the most expensive ability in game. You want make weaker - fine with me but the price should drop to. Cheaper price - more call ins.
Germanes will have IL2 flying over their heads all the time.
Germanes will have IL2 flying over their heads all the time.
Vae Victis!
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