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dak is trash

25 Feb 2023, 15:28 PM
#1
avatar of KONIUX27

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man literally how tf lelic managed to make worse design than okw??? I N S A N E
25 Feb 2023, 15:46 PM
#2
avatar of Zyllen

Posts: 770

man literally how tf lelic managed to make worse design than okw??? I N S A N E


Troll post? in what way are they worse?
25 Feb 2023, 16:00 PM
#3
avatar of KONIUX27

Posts: 148

same bad mainline infantry (overpriced and ineffective), same reliance on light vehicles and need to skip tiers, same bonus for doing all super expensive tiers, and what it does even worse than OKW is literally making it unable to make any tanks (while okw at least had some reward for t3) and gatekeeping it to just winning the game in 15 minutes by cheesing LVs or losing cuz you cant scale, also it has massive manpower issues
25 Feb 2023, 16:13 PM
#4
avatar of Katitof

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If you wanted to play infantry spam, why did you picked highly mechanized army?
25 Feb 2023, 16:15 PM
#5
avatar of Zyllen

Posts: 770

same bad mainline infantry (overpriced and ineffective), same reliance on light vehicles and need to skip tiers, same bonus for doing all super expensive tiers, and what it does even worse than OKW is literally making it unable to make any tanks (while okw at least had some reward for t3) and gatekeeping it to just winning the game in 15 minutes by cheesing LVs or losing cuz you cant scale, also it has massive manpower issues


No not a good comparison. The daks LV's actually has punch and come early enough they can disrupt both allied factions. The pg's are very similar to the pg's in coh 1 that start weak but come very potent when they are upgraded.

And they are the only one that have the tiger tank (and several others as well) as a non-doctrinal call in. So wtf do you mean they dont have tanks?
25 Feb 2023, 16:25 PM
#6
avatar of KONIUX27

Posts: 148

Mechanized faction XDDDD
it has the most expensive mainline infantry that literally loses all ranges to everything, 100 ammo and 200mp to upgrade and even then they will lose to allied infantry, it becomes a bit better when with vehicle bonus that you cant have early game so you autolose all engagements early game that delays your LVs and forces you to go MG which is bad and will get hard rekt by OP grenades especially rifle grenades

what i mean by no tanks? man go ahead spend fuel and manpower that you wont have cuz everything is too mp heavy in this faction, to get t1 t2 t3 and then t0 upgrade so you can get p4 with useless pzjagers or tiger which you will never be able to afford
also LVs get hard countered by AT sections or the m8 tho yeah memecars are good on their own yet allies have more than viable counters and with well played early game delaying your LVs by a lot so they dont have big window, then allies just get tanks which you have to counter with marders cuz you cant have tanks which is somewhat doable but not for long
25 Feb 2023, 17:34 PM
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25 Feb 2023, 19:09 PM
#8
avatar of GachiGasm

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As a matter of fact, after the nerf playing PGs, at least in teamgames is a bit redundant. Better to just go for bersaliery.

For being the most expensive mainline (300MP) and with long build time, they do feel lacklaster, even with buff from 250.

Also it doesn't help, that UKF meta is boys spam, which pretty much shut down whole mech play from DAK, forcing you to play inf mostly.
25 Feb 2023, 20:31 PM
#9
avatar of OrangePest

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Pgrens are overpriced AF, but other than that (and at sections countering everything) the faction feels good to play.
25 Feb 2023, 20:55 PM
#10
avatar of KONIUX27

Posts: 148

Pgrens are overpriced AF, but other than that (and at sections countering everything) the faction feels good to play.


it doesnt bother you that the faction tools in 1v1 end on t2? like you cant convince me it is worth it to go t3 for pz3l which is pretty bad
25 Feb 2023, 21:07 PM
#11
avatar of TheSphinx

Posts: 48

DAK was nice to play and allowed diversity buildorder for exactly 1 day. After most people found the brit meta out with boysriflespam and arty doctrine, it is atm a free win against DAK. It just feels so easy compared to all other factions with spamming boysrifle and overrun later with a crusaderarmy. 260 mp for the best longrange maininf which wipes out everything in few sec what DAK can use.
The 33% reduction of reinforcement costs makes the 260 mp units even more funny and with 1cp indian morter + free medictruck, it is so far the stronges faction to push your enemy from the field and bring them to ragequit.
25 Feb 2023, 21:55 PM
#12
avatar of donofsandiego

Posts: 1333

As a matter of fact, after the nerf playing PGs, at least in teamgames is a bit redundant. Better to just go for bersaliery.

For being the most expensive mainline (300MP) and with long build time, they do feel lacklaster, even with buff from 250.

Also it doesn't help, that UKF meta is boys spam, which pretty much shut down whole mech play from DAK, forcing you to play inf mostly.


The UKF meta is boys AT rifle spam because of DAK 250 spam and 8 Rape Armored Car.
25 Feb 2023, 21:57 PM
#13
avatar of donofsandiego

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and, of course, because they can use them and still kill infantry.
25 Feb 2023, 22:54 PM
#14
avatar of GachiGasm

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The UKF meta is boys AT rifle spam because of DAK 250 spam and 8 Rape Armored Car.


No, its meta because with vet 1 they are becoming more accurate vs units, basically turning their AT rifles into CoH2 guards equivalent.
25 Feb 2023, 23:32 PM
#15
avatar of donofsandiego

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No, its meta because with vet 1 they are becoming more accurate vs units, basically turning their AT rifles into CoH2 guards equivalent.


Then why wouldn't they just get brens instead? Accuracy doesn't change performance against vehicles by that much for AT rifles.

If you ever play DAK and you're fighting a brit making anything but AT rifle sections, build 250s and 8 Rads and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

AT rifles are meta because they hard counter DAK light vehicles first and foremost. They're only meta to blob because they're also effective VS. infantry.
25 Feb 2023, 23:38 PM
#16
avatar of donofsandiego

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Basically what I'm trying to say is that Brits meta came out of countering DAK's light vehicles. If you ever play a game of allies where your brits teammate doesn't spam AT rifles, you will finally understand why it is that way.
25 Feb 2023, 23:40 PM
#17
avatar of GachiGasm

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Then why wouldn't they just get brens instead? Accuracy doesn't change performance against vehicles by that much for AT rifles.

If you ever play DAK and you're fighting a brit making anything but AT rifle sections, build 250s and 8 Rads and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

AT rifles are meta because they hard counter DAK light vehicles first and foremost. They're only meta to blob because they're also effective VS. infantry.


Its used regardless if you UKF play against DAK or Wehr. There is no reason to get brens, because they are firstly expensive af and they deal no damage to vehicles :snfPeter:

4 Boys sections, are a threat for everything, even for panther\tiger is attacked from a side or rear. Its basically CoH2 guards, but good ones.

It might have came to be as a legit counter to DAK, but Boys are over-all the most versatile and better upgrade in all situations anyway.
26 Feb 2023, 01:18 AM
#18
avatar of donofsandiego

Posts: 1333



Its used regardless if you UKF play against DAK or Wehr. There is no reason to get brens, because they are firstly expensive af and they deal no damage to vehicles :snfPeter:

4 Boys sections, are a threat for everything, even for panther\tiger is attacked from a side or rear. Its basically CoH2 guards, but good ones.

It might have came to be as a legit counter to DAK, but Boys are over-all the most versatile and better upgrade in all situations anyway.


For sure, and without it DAK lights would rape nearly every single unit in the roster.

Have you seen how fast 8 Rads turn a squad into pink mist?
26 Feb 2023, 02:29 AM
#19
avatar of Kurobane

Posts: 658

Dak isn't trash, the whole game is trash.
26 Feb 2023, 08:29 AM
#20
avatar of VonManteuffel

Posts: 97

DAK feels like a combination out of the best from Panzer Elite and OKW. DAK is absolutely strong, but no way unbalanced. This faction is very complicated and you have to make the right decissions in order to win. DAK is nothing for beginners. But it's a well rounded faction with all options you need.

Maybe the fuel increases on call-ins was over the top. I never had a chance to use them due to their high tech costs and prices. But we will see.
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