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76mm Sherman and M4C's AP shell needs a small buff I think

26 Feb 2022, 05:38 AM
#1
avatar of GoforGiantsV3

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I know, 76mm gun is known as better gun against tanks than 75mm gun.
But its Penetration is 140/130/120. 75mm one is 140/120/100.

Seems Slightly weird and nearday 76mm gun's ROF get nerfed so I think Its Penetration can be slightly buffed.
I thought 140/130/120 to 160/150/140(+20 at all range) can be good to seem and natural
26 Feb 2022, 09:16 AM
#2
avatar of Vipper

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Vet bonus

Unlocks the passive "Radio Net" ability.
+35% weapon rotation speed.
+30% reload speed.
+25% penetration.
+20% rotation speed.
+20% maximum speed.
+20% ac/de-celeration.
1 Mar 2022, 06:59 AM
#3
avatar of GoforGiantsV3

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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Feb 2022, 09:16 AMVipper
Vet bonus

Unlocks the passive "Radio Net" ability.
+35% weapon rotation speed.
+30% reload speed.
+25% penetration.
+20% rotation speed.
+20% maximum speed.
+20% ac/de-celeration.


Then. How'bout 150/140/130?(+10 at all ragne)
It can give reasonable Comparing view with 75mm gun(140/120/100)
It really had better penetration at all range Accurately.
1 Mar 2022, 09:12 AM
#4
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Then. How'bout 150/140/130?(+10 at all ragne)
It can give reasonable Comparing view with 75mm gun(140/120/100)
It really had better penetration at all range Accurately.

Think you should be comparing it with what it is fighting, it already has good changes vs PZIVs especially when moving and does not really need to perform better vs PzIVs...
1 Mar 2022, 10:18 AM
#5
avatar of GoforGiantsV3

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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Mar 2022, 09:12 AMVipper

Think you should be comparing it with what it is fighting, it already has good changes vs PZIVs especially when moving and does not really need to perform better vs PzIVs...


I think It gets 234/117 Armor at V2 so I think 76mm Sherman(Additional Pay) getting Some advantage points can be happened.

Panzer Gets High Armor, Advanced Sherman Gets Slightly Better Penetration.
1 Mar 2022, 10:30 AM
#6
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I think It gets 234/117 Armor at V2 so I think 76mm Sherman(Additional Pay) getting Some advantage points can be happened.

Panzer Gets High Armor, Advanced Sherman Gets Slightly Better Penetration.

You can use MMX tool to run a simulation.
1 Mar 2022, 15:31 PM
#7
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At least on paper the 76mm Sherman is a decent tank. Can't make real judgement on the current in game situation since I have not used it in ages, mostly because I play primarily team games. I think the reason I don't see it is that the 76mm is just stuck in bad commanders for team games. In 2v2 it MIGHT still work, but you have way better commander choices. Both commanders lack late game potential, and medium spam tactics don't work as well if your opponents have StuGs and Panthers available.
27 Mar 2022, 08:20 AM
#8
avatar of GoforGiantsV3

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At least on paper the 76mm Sherman is a decent tank. Can't make real judgement on the current in game situation since I have not used it in ages, mostly because I play primarily team games. I think the reason I don't see it is that the 76mm is just stuck in bad commanders for team games. In 2v2 it MIGHT still work, but you have way better commander choices. Both commanders lack late game potential, and medium spam tactics don't work as well if your opponents have StuGs and Panthers available.


Yeah, and Mechanized Company's Identity is Lack of Offmap Skills, No Super Weapons but having Many Unit Cards in Light~Medium cards, So I hope Reserve Armor get backed and 76mm Sherman's main gun AP shell's penetration slightly increased. both 75mm and 76mm's Close range pen is 140. but I hope 76mm's one can become 140/130/120 to 150/140/130.
27 Mar 2022, 14:14 PM
#9
avatar of T.R. Stormjäger

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The 76mm reload nerf killed the unit. Awful change.
27 Mar 2022, 15:07 PM
#10
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The 76mm reload nerf killed the unit. Awful change.

76mm once vetted had a ROF of 3.26.
(The unit had bonuses designed for Soviet tank and not USF tanks)

That ROF was simply too high for a medium tank.

Keep in mind that was without other bonuses available to the unit like radio net and combined arm.

The reload nerf was a solid change.
31 Mar 2022, 02:50 AM
#12
avatar of GoforGiantsV3

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I know, 76mm gun is known as better gun against tanks than 75mm gun.
But its Penetration is 140/130/120. 75mm one is 140/120/100.

Seems Slightly weird and nearday 76mm gun's ROF get nerfed so I think Its Penetration can be slightly buffed.
I thought 140/130/120 to 160/150/140(+20 at all range) can be good to seem and natural


It seems WC51 and reserve armor must be roll-backed. Maybe not all parts, but some of.
31 Mar 2022, 03:23 AM
#13
avatar of Crecer13

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I played yesterday and built two M4C, either I had a bad day or standard shells are just awful: two M4Cs shot one Pz4 each fired three shots and all the shells bounced, 6 non-penetrations is just disgusting.
31 Mar 2022, 17:49 PM
#14
avatar of EtherealDragon

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IDK, E8 and T34/85 will always come out on top for me. The extra survivability coupled with a gun with similar penetration is just too good- even if they cost slightly more. Never mind their commanders are better overall as well. 76MM is only good for memes or if you really want to use things like Dodge Truck or DSHK in your build...
31 Mar 2022, 21:46 PM
#15
avatar of Kurobane

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I know, 76mm gun is known as better gun against tanks than 75mm gun.
But its Penetration is 140/130/120. 75mm one is 140/120/100.

Seems Slightly weird and nearday 76mm gun's ROF get nerfed so I think Its Penetration can be slightly buffed.
I thought 140/130/120 to 160/150/140(+20 at all range) can be good to seem and natural



76mm Sherman is garbage don't waste your time building this.
1 Apr 2022, 07:37 AM
#16
avatar of minhuh064

Posts: 63

jump backJump back to quoted post27 Mar 2022, 15:07 PMVipper

76mm once vetted had a ROF of 3.26.
(The unit had bonuses designed for Soviet tank and not USF tanks)

That ROF was simply too high for a medium tank.

Keep in mind that was without other bonuses available to the unit like radio net and combined arm.

The reload nerf was a solid change.

So solid that no one wants to use them anymore. Nice.
1 Apr 2022, 08:19 AM
#17
avatar of Vipper

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So solid that no one wants to use them anymore. Nice.

When it comes to doctrinal vehicles underused units is not really related to the unit being cost efficient or not.

On top of that USF have one of the best TDs available stock and and simply too many Sherman version available so again usage is not directly related with cost efficiency.

The Soviet lend lease commander that offer a similar unit is more popular even thought there commander with one of the most cost efficient medium tank the T-34/85.

76mm Sherman can full fill its role of dealing with the PzIV just fine.

The ROF of the unit was simply too high compared to other vehicles of its class.
1 Apr 2022, 08:21 AM
#18
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76mm Sherman is garbage don't waste your time building this.


This

Poor 76mm got murdered by nerfs. All for the sake of overnerfing Mechanized.
1 Apr 2022, 09:01 AM
#19
avatar of Crecer13

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The biggest problem I see with Lend-Lease Commander is the lack of an Artillery or Air ability on the map. You have a truck that increases resources, but you have nowhere to spend your ammo. You can overlay the entire map with mines and you will have a ton of wasted ammo.
1 Apr 2022, 09:38 AM
#20
avatar of thekessvn

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> OverNerf WC 51.
> Rework combine arm (which is effect 2 doctrine as same time) become a complitcated ability so nobody bother to click it anyway.
> Overnerf M4 76/M4 Bulldozer for no reason. But hey, they give Weh a Okw Pz4 :D.
Bring M36 into table dont change a fact that M4 76mm is overnerf.

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