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CoH 3 German Campaign!!

13 Jul 2021, 18:58 PM
#1
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First of all

THX RELIC YOUR GAME WILL BE A BANGER!!!!! if you keep on your way as you showed it will be a huge huge success.



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they said in in Gameplay reveal they wil talk about north africa later or next year. In the CGI trailer we heard the Radio transmission to Rommel. They also talked about more factions

I'm almost entirely sure it will be a New Map in Africa with a German/Italian campaign


ofc Speculation based on:

- I'm sure they want to showcase their whole unit roster in campaign
- mixing up things for single player experience
- 2 factions still not seen
- the african theatre isn't as historally burdened as the euro theatre
- Rommel is a well known historical figure and would be a good selling point (play as the Famous desert fox etc...)

13 Jul 2021, 19:49 PM
#2
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North Africa Axis Campaign would be lit
13 Jul 2021, 20:12 PM
#3
avatar of A. Soldier

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Notice the German dudes on the right in the desert with the pyramids?

Plus with the teaser at the end with Rommel, most likely the German campaign will be set in Africa yeah.
13 Jul 2021, 20:14 PM
#4
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Ahhh the legendary Afrika Korps, at last we finally might get a COH campaign they deserve.
13 Jul 2021, 20:39 PM
#5
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German campaign would be cool, but I don't see how there's any evidence of it yet

The references to Africa could just as much be an allied campaign, and it's probably gonna be a chunk of the multiplayer setting as well
14 Jul 2021, 00:48 AM
#6
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Very few games have you actually play as nazis in the campaign, so I doubt relic will buck the trend. Especially in campaigns that want to have characters and stories you can be sympathetic towards, which relic seems to want to do with coh3's
14 Jul 2021, 02:26 AM
#7
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jump backJump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 00:48 AMOrphan
Very few games have you actually play as nazis in the campaign, so I doubt relic will buck the trend. Especially in campaigns that want to have characters and stories you can be sympathetic towards, which relic seems to want to do with coh3's


Company of Heroes 1 added a Panzer Elite campaign in the Opposing Fronts expansion, and it was easily the most heartfelt of all the campaigns in the entire series...

Besides, the general trend of every WW2 game ever is that the overwhelming majority of the actual playerbase wants to play as Germany. I've seen it in every multiplayer WW2 I've ever played.
14 Jul 2021, 02:34 AM
#8
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jump backJump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 00:48 AMOrphan
Very few games have you actually play as nazis in the campaign, so I doubt relic will buck the trend. Especially in campaigns that want to have characters and stories you can be sympathetic towards, which relic seems to want to do with coh3's


This is true. Though historically the African campaign, from both sides, avoided the monstrous effects on civilians and was a more "pure war" as such. So IMO Relic could get away with it if focused on Rommel.
14 Jul 2021, 02:57 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 02:34 AMDeca


This is true. Though historically the African campaign, from both sides, avoided the monstrous effects on civilians and was a more "pure war" as such. So IMO Relic could get away with it if focused on Rommel.


Civilian casualties were hardly unique to the Germans. Everything the Germans did, the Soviets in particular did in droves.
14 Jul 2021, 04:55 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 02:26 AMKothre


Company of Heroes 1 added a Panzer Elite campaign in the Opposing Fronts expansion, and it was easily the most heartfelt of all the campaigns in the entire series...

Besides, the general trend of every WW2 game ever is that the overwhelming majority of the actual playerbase wants to play as Germany. I've seen it in every multiplayer WW2 I've ever played.


That's because Nazi sympathizers and white supremacists are naturally drawn towards WW2 fantasies where Germany is portrayed sympathetically or treated like they had a chance of winning.
14 Jul 2021, 05:56 AM
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That's because Nazi sympathizers and white supremacists are naturally drawn towards WW2 fantasies where Germany is portrayed sympathetically or treated like they had a chance of winning.


the culture war never stops.

maybe just maybe some people find that the german tanks and uniforms look cooler(and let`s not lie to ourselfs they mostly do). or just want to play as something other than the same old american as everyother game or indeed they are all nazis hell bent on taking over the world.
14 Jul 2021, 05:58 AM
#12
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That's because Nazi sympathizers and white supremacists are naturally drawn towards WW2 fantasies where Germany is portrayed sympathetically or treated like they had a chance of winning.


Yawn. I find it so tiresome how big of a stick our society has up its ass about Germany in WW2. This obsession with being anti-Nazi seriously borders on cult-like. It's been nearly 80 years. And you cannot expect me to take seriously the claim that 80% of the WW2 video game fandom are all white supremacists (and who cares if people you don't like like your video game, anyway?). People like Germany because they're cool and had the most badass tanks and uniforms.

But this is kind of a rabbit hole, anyway. Other games have had German campaigns, including in our very own beloved series. I see absolutely no reason why we can't have one in CoH3.
14 Jul 2021, 06:11 AM
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I thought the "Post Credit scene" (of the render trailer) Was THE confirmation for a german PzArmee Afrika (with the deutschem Afrika-Korps) strategy campaign map?
14 Jul 2021, 07:38 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 05:58 AMKothre


Yawn. I find it so tiresome how big of a stick our society has up its ass about Germany in WW2. This obsession with being anti-Nazi seriously borders on cult-like. It's been nearly 80 years. And you cannot expect me to take seriously the claim that 80% of the WW2 video game fandom are all white supremacists (and who cares if people you don't like like your video game, anyway?). People like Germany because they're cool and had the most badass tanks and uniforms.

But this is kind of a rabbit hole, anyway. Other games have had German campaigns, including in our very own beloved series. I see absolutely no reason why we can't have one in CoH3.


80% is ofc hyperbole. But there is undeniably a small segment of these people, also seen in traditional board war games. Recommend the great book Myths of the Eastern Front for insights:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_the_Eastern_Front
14 Jul 2021, 10:57 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 00:48 AMOrphan
Very few games have you actually play as nazis in the campaign, so I doubt relic will buck the trend. Especially in campaigns that want to have characters and stories you can be sympathetic towards, which relic seems to want to do with coh3's


CoH and Codename: Panzers were literally one of the first few RTS games that had a German campaign lol.

CoH had the Panzer Elite campaign in Opposing Fronts telling about the German respective of Operation Market Garden, which I would say was a very huge failure on the Allies' part, particular in Monty's pompous mind that he could just drive a huge ass tank column on a single road with little to no resistance linking up paratroopers along the way up to Berlin instead of more supplies and support being diverted to Patton's 3rd Army which was the fasted Allied unit in the ETO but that's just my opinion I suppose, Britbongs still defend him regardless of any historical facts since they had no other national hero to rally behind besides Churchill.

And then the Tiger Ace and Falaise Pocket campaigns in Tales of Valor, which talk about Villers Bocage and the encirclement of the 7th Army in Normandy. I guess the Germans became experts at encirclements because they did it to the Soviets almost constantly in the early days of the Eastern Front and then had to defend from encirclements of the Soviets later. Kiev for example is the largest encirclement in history up until now at least with more than a half a million Soviets encircled which dwarfs Stalingrad but hey, as Napoleon said, history is what the victors agreed on. You can read more about it here even tho there are probably better sources for it but I'm too lazy to get them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kiev_(1941)



That's because Nazi sympathizers and white supremacists are naturally drawn towards WW2 fantasies where Germany is portrayed sympathetically or treated like they had a chance of winning.


I think your socialist and liberal education has gone to your head my friend.

Anybody that has gone to war or at least participated in a battle or any other sort of similar "competition" really will tell you that something can go one way or another at any certain point in time so it's not just black and white like you probably think that "Huhu German man bad cuz Nazy, Soviet man good cuz they beat German man".

Here is a comprehensive list of Soviet war atrocities which are seldomly mentioned because it wouldn't fit the narrative of the Soviet propaganda portraying themselves as heroes while conquering half of Europe and wanting to conquer the rest as well but I guess you won't even bother reading it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

Why do you even think that the hammer and circle is drawn on the globe of the world, or is that just a coincidence?

And I also think the starvation of Ukrainian citizens, invasions of Poland (twice), Finland and other countries, mass executions of all "non-believers" in the communist manifesto and overall treatment of civilians show that the Soviets weren't really any better and I would say were even far worse than Germany but again, this is an un-popular and controversial topic and thus any opinions on it as well.

Hitler was a fool in believing in his thousand year Reich which as the Soviets also proved is very unrealistic, the USSR only lasting for around 80 years or so and the Nazis probably would have met the very same fate even if they won the war with political instability and power hunger in the upper upper echelons.

So my point with all of this is that there are no good or bad guys, everybody has their own view points and are the good guys in their own story and the bad guys in the other guy's story and whoever says that only Germany or only the Soviets did bad things is very biased and that quickly becomes obvious.

In general both sides were dictatorial regimes with power hungry lunatics in control of them that killed millions and only maybe the Western Allies can really plead to be the least guilty during the war with minimal war crimes and so forth, the US even rebuilding Western Europe with the Marshall plan.

Altho it's also funny to see people calling WW2 Germany racists when they probably had the most multi-ethnic and racial military with many nations and races, even blacks and muslims, Asians and hell jewish people as well, homosexuals and so forth serving while the US Army was segregated until the 50s and have you seen a non-white officers from the aristocracy in the British Army during the war as well?



Hypocracy and propaganda have no bounds and it's important to be able to look at things from different perspectives and view points to get the best possible picture instead of just taking a single side and sticking with it because that honestly makes a person very ignorant if nothing else.
14 Jul 2021, 11:32 AM
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CoH and Codename: Panzers were literally one of the first few RTS games that had a German campaign lol.

Let's not kid ourselves, German campaigns were pretty common in RTS games. Panzer General, Sudden Strike 1 and 2, Blitzkrieg 1 and 2 or Axis & Allies to name a few of the important ones. I would even say not having a German campaign in an RTS game is an exception.
14 Jul 2021, 12:57 PM
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Ah yes, I'm a socialist liberal (neither of those things) for saying that actual Nazis are attracted to World War II games. I thought this was fairly obvious but of course, if you ask around there are about as many Nazis here as the Nuremberg trials, thankfully because it has been obviously stigmatized to hell and back.

It's funny because forums like these for World War II games are the last places that I see the myths about the Wehrmacht that were debunked by actual historians still spread around. Myths that were written by the actual SS and former high-ranking Nazis looking to avoid a noose and garner additional sympathy from their occupiers. Company of Heroes 2 got in trouble for its campaign which largely (save maybe burning its own soldiers alive) depicted actual atrocities that happened at some point or another in the Red Army over the course of the war, without touching on some of the real atrocities, as you've mentioned, also lovely things like using penal squads as human minesweepers, etc.

I'd wager this game would get an equal amount of backlash if they realistically portrayed Rommel as a lucky opportunist and not 4D chess-playing Nazi Jesus as his popular portrait seems to make him out as, which was, mind you, part of that postwar propaganda which was encouraged by the British because it made them look better for beating him in North Africa when he didn't have a chance of winning it to begin with.

And I love the "Wehrmacht wasn't racist" thing, pretty much every army was fucking racist to whatever degree, it's just the British wouldn't have turned their colonial troops into soap and candles if they didn't have a crippling manpower shortage. If you missed it that was intentional hyperbole by the way.

For the record I don't really have a "side". I think, generally, the glorification of war is troubling, doubly so when it leads people, in whatever small ways, down the path of sympathy for an awful regime, whichever one. I also think the American army committed a ridiculous share of war crimes and incited a racial hatred against the Japanese that at least approached the level of Jews in Germany, but you see a lot fewer people reacting to that with denial or deflection as opposed to merely mentioning that some people harbour sympathy for the Nazis.
14 Jul 2021, 13:53 PM
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Afrika Korps and Rommel are probably the only German things from WW2 which werent antagonized by mass media and history.

Rommel himself have a reputation of a "honarable german general" and the whole Afrika Theater is usually presented as a "gentelmen fight" rather then bloody massacre and warcrimes.

So there wont be any problems adding german campaing in afrika for Relic. Hell, they made PE campaing. And PE were litterary SS guys in CoH1, with all the propaganda and heroic speaches. Funny enouth, kampfgruppe lehr (which PE is), was a part of a Wehrmacht not SS, while Relic made them almost a copy of SS. Still, we had their campaing and it was a good one. Noone complained about glorification of the nazis. Even ladder ranks for PE were censored SS ranks with word "fuhrer" replaced by "leiter".

Not to mention that even BF5 had the German campain and its considered the best one out of all, without complains. Even if EA allowed themself to show german side without backfire, then Relic can for sure.

If there wont be an Afrika Korps campain it will be a wasted oportunity. But mark my words, it will be there 99%.
14 Jul 2021, 14:01 PM
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socialist liberal is an oxymoron
14 Jul 2021, 14:51 PM
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Ah yes, I'm a socialist liberal (neither of those things) for saying that actual Nazis are attracted to World War II games. I thought this was fairly obvious but of course, if you ask around there are about as many Nazis here as the Nuremberg trials, thankfully because it has been obviously stigmatized to hell and back.

It's funny because forums like these for World War II games are the last places that I see the myths about the Wehrmacht that were debunked by actual historians still spread around. Myths that were written by the actual SS and former high-ranking Nazis looking to avoid a noose and garner additional sympathy from their occupiers. Company of Heroes 2 got in trouble for its campaign which largely (save maybe burning its own soldiers alive) depicted actual atrocities that happened at some point or another in the Red Army over the course of the war, without touching on some of the real atrocities, as you've mentioned, also lovely things like using penal squads as human minesweepers, etc.

I'd wager this game would get an equal amount of backlash if they realistically portrayed Rommel as a lucky opportunist and not 4D chess-playing Nazi Jesus as his popular portrait seems to make him out as, which was, mind you, part of that postwar propaganda which was encouraged by the British because it made them look better for beating him in North Africa when he didn't have a chance of winning it to begin with.

And I love the "Wehrmacht wasn't racist" thing, pretty much every army was fucking racist to whatever degree, it's just the British wouldn't have turned their colonial troops into soap and candles if they didn't have a crippling manpower shortage. If you missed it that was intentional hyperbole by the way.

For the record I don't really have a "side". I think, generally, the glorification of war is troubling, doubly so when it leads people, in whatever small ways, down the path of sympathy for an awful regime, whichever one. I also think the American army committed a ridiculous share of war crimes and incited a racial hatred against the Japanese that at least approached the level of Jews in Germany, but you see a lot fewer people reacting to that with denial or deflection as opposed to merely mentioning that some people harbour sympathy for the Nazis.


No, people didn't like the CoH2 solo company because it was a complete lousy Enemy at the Gate of cliche mythical nonsense. For clarity, I have already cited Mission: Mtsensk. When a bunch of recruits were desperately on the defensive in October when the ice withstood the tanks and blah blah blah. When in reality Mtsensk was defended by more than 6,000 paratroopers who were airlifted with guns, mortars and even eight light T-37A tanks successfully defended the highway before the arrival of tanks and jointly counterattacked, the best tanker of the Anti-Hitler Coalition took part in these battles, after these battles Guderian writes about the superiority of the T-34 over German tanks. But who needs it? It's boring, let's do boring missions and plot.
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