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17 Jun 2021, 09:55 AM
#121
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Wow. For a moment I thought current UKF is having 65%+ WR so we were discussing how to nerf IS.

This is the exact reason UKF is not getting proper buffs for more than a year.

Any slight chance of suggesting buffs on UKF; comes back with "Oh no that will ruin the balance!"

As if it the balance is so good right now.

I say it again, UKF is not "playable" at the moment. Just go coh2stats.com and see it's WR & pick rate.
17 Jun 2021, 10:02 AM
#122
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Wow. For a moment I thought current UKF is having 65%+ WR so we were discussing how to nerf IS.

This is the exact reason UKF is not getting proper buffs for more than a year.

Any slight chance of suggesting buffs on UKF; comes back with "Oh no that will ruin the balance!"

As if it the balance is so good right now.

I say it again, UKF is not "playable" at the moment. Just go coh2stats.com and see it's WR & pick rate.

Those stat are useless after a major patch...one has to wait until number from the patch become available.
17 Jun 2021, 10:11 AM
#123
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 10:02 AMVipper

Those stat are useless after a major patch...one has to wait until number from the patch become available.


As if UKF got major buffs to fix current WR. I doubt so.

But yeah. Let's wait for another couple of months.
17 Jun 2021, 10:30 AM
#124
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As if UKF got major buffs to fix current WR. I doubt so.

But yeah. Let's wait for another couple of months.

You do not have to guess if they got buffs or not you can try them out. And I would suggest to start with Raid section/Vicker K commanders.

Point here is that stat before the patch are not that relevant anymore. Actually their should be separate stats.
17 Jun 2021, 10:35 AM
#125
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UKF was a useless irrelevant faction before the patch, and it will stay irrelevant and useless after the patch. UKF will stay the most underplayed faction until it receives larger changes to its core. People can twist the stats as much as they want, but the faction has factually the least amount of games in every faction. It has significant problems with its core, and no commanders will solve that.
17 Jun 2021, 10:55 AM
#126
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 10:30 AMVipper

You do not have to guess if they got buffs or not you can try them out. And I would suggest to start with Raid section/Vicker K commanders.


No thank you sir. I don't plan to get cancer in any near future.
17 Jun 2021, 11:26 AM
#127
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No thank you sir. I don't plan to get cancer in any near future.

Then I would suggest you reduce your feedback on them until to you try them.
17 Jun 2021, 11:45 AM
#128
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 11:26 AMVipper

Then I would suggest you reduce your feedback on them until to you try them.


Same dps as Rifle without snare/grenade. What more do I need to test for?

Already saw one of the best UKF player - Ashablois - loosing with it(https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1058881268)
17 Jun 2021, 11:51 AM
#129
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 11:26 AMVipper

Then I would suggest you reduce your feedback on them until to you try them.


Speaking of play, mind I see your player card? I've seen you much in forum, but never seen you in-game. Or at least I didn't know it was you.
17 Jun 2021, 11:59 AM
#130
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Same dps as Rifle without snare/grenade. What more do I need to test for?

Already saw one of the best UKF player - Ashablois - loosing with it(https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1058881268)

I guess you entitled in having an opinion for something you have never used.



Speaking of play, mind I see your player card? I've seen you much in forum, but never seen you in-game. Or at least I didn't know it was you.

You can find pretty easily or you can contact me via PM. There is very little reason though to turn a forum about a game into a personal thing.

None of that is even remotely relevant to my point that you can not use that stat before a major patch to complain about the current state of the game.
17 Jun 2021, 12:27 PM
#131
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 11:59 AMVipper

I guess you entitled in having an opinion for something you have never used.



Why should I bother to waste my time when I can "read" the stats and see that they do have almost identical dps as rifle?

Raid Section
DPS at ranges 0/10/15/20/25/30/35: 6.2/4.73/3.53/2.87/2.39/2.00/1.686 (https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/247045/commander-update-preview-and-public-beta-2021)

Rifle
DPS at ranges 0/10/15/20/25/30/35: 6.789/4.829/3.392/2.841/2.378/2.04/1.698
https://coh2.serealia.ca/#10

They are what they are with given stat.

And okay, let the time pass by to see how WR changes. I'm only telling you that there won't be any big difference on UKF WR.
17 Jun 2021, 12:47 PM
#132
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I've just checked out AshaBlois stream and he did some very nice "overrun"-wins where he used the quick capture rate of the Raid Sections very nicely.
17 Jun 2021, 12:59 PM
#133
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 12:47 PMredfox
I've just checked out AshaBlois stream and he did some very nice "overrun"-wins where he used the quick capture rate of the Raid Sections very nicely.


They have same capture rate as IS. 1.25. Well, at least they got advantage over rifle on this one.
17 Jun 2021, 13:22 PM
#134
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They have same capture rate as IS. 1.25. Well, at least they got advantage over rifle on this one.

Capture rate of IS got moved to RE last patch.
17 Jun 2021, 13:26 PM
#135
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Why should I bother to waste my time when I can "read" the stats and see that they do have almost identical dps as rifle?

Raid Section
DPS at ranges 0/10/15/20/25/30/35: 6.2/4.73/3.53/2.87/2.39/2.00/1.686 (https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/247045/commander-update-preview-and-public-beta-2021)

Rifle
DPS at ranges 0/10/15/20/25/30/35: 6.789/4.829/3.392/2.841/2.378/2.04/1.698
https://coh2.serealia.ca/#10

They are what they are with given stat.

And okay, let the time pass by to see how WR changes. I'm only telling you that there won't be any big difference on UKF WR.

The problem with that way o thinking is that you assuming that what is good for one faction will not be OP or UP in another.

You might change you mind if on give Shock/guards to OKW or KT to USF.
17 Jun 2021, 13:47 PM
#136
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 13:26 PMVipper

The problem with that way o thinking is that you assuming that what is good for one faction will not be OP or UP in another.


How on the earth lower than Rifle DPS w/o snare gonna be OP for UKF?
I would have give it at least a shot if they had a snare.

Please explain to me more about this.
17 Jun 2021, 14:06 PM
#137
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 11:26 AMVipper

Then I would suggest you reduce your feedback on them until to you try them.


I must say how dare of you speak "try them before give feedback" with you showing none of experience in UKF at all.
17 Jun 2021, 14:26 PM
#138
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How on the earth lower than Rifle DPS w/o snare gonna be OP for UKF?
I would have give it at least a shot if they had a snare.

Please explain to me more about this.





I must say how dare of you speak "try them before give feedback" with you showing none of experience in UKF at all.

I am not sure why this is so hard for you to understand. I did not say UKF are OP or UP or any other faction that is.

The reason I have not said anything is because it way too early. What I have pointed out to you is that using the data from the previous patch to support your argument in this patch make very little sense because this was a major patch.

Now pls do not put word in my mouth.
17 Jun 2021, 14:32 PM
#139
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jun 2021, 14:26 PMVipper




I am not sure why this is so hard for you to understand. I did not say UKF are OP or UP or any other faction that is.

The reason I have not said anything is because it way too early. What I have pointed out to you is that using the data from the previous patch to support your argument in this patch make very little sense because this was a major patch.

Now pls do not put word in my mouth.


And I'm just saying you to reduce your feedback before actually playing UKF faction as you've said.

How many times I have seen you on UKF balance threads?

And you showing not a single game played as UKF, and dare to say "play before give feedback". How ironic is that.

Both 1st and 2nd ranked UKF player already confirmed UKF is still a trash. It doesn't require much of play to confirm that.
17 Jun 2021, 14:35 PM
#140
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And I'm just saying you to reduce your feedback before actually playing UKF faction as you've said.

How many times I have seen you on UKF balance threads?

And you showing not a single game played as UKF, and dare to say "play before give feedback". How ironic is that.

Both 1st and 2nd ranked UKF player already confirmed UKF is still a trash. It doesn't require much of play to confirm that.

Ok this is the last time I will respond to you on public channel about this.

I have not provided ANY feedback on UKF or any other faction about this patch because is way to early.

Now do us all a a favor and stop these personal attacks.
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