I'm kinda surprised that Command Panzer IV doesn't fit with the different buffs it got.
As in my original post, I don’t think it quite
fits. I do agree that it almost fits in to the doctrine thematically.
The other reason I proposed this change is because the Command panzer is already in 5 commanders, and changing out the commad panzer in joint operations for a potential artillery observation vehicle would reduce overlap(one of the goals of the patch) and be more on the artillery theme.
For Spearhead I guess you could do something like that change but that's putting a pretty powerful unit into a doctrine that already has a lot of tools (...). Does it really need an elite infantry and should that replace the recon (which works well with frag bombs)? I don't think it really does.
Yeah, it would be a bit over the top, so as per Vipper’s feedback maybe it could be tried alongside swapping frag bombs for incendiary bombs?
Side note - I don’t know why people assume when a change is proposed the OP wants said changes implemented to the letter. I’m never saying the idea is perfect
, and I just want to put it out there, to see if it’s good generally and then get more fine balance from there. I feel like many good ideas get shot down because it wasn’t perfect right out of the gate, and people just criticize instead of constructive feedback.
Lighting War I think is even less deserving of a change like that and I think it's going to condemn mobile defense to never be good again. Lightning has many solid traits that already put's very close to viable imo.
Like I said originally I wanted to put Puna in a nother commander, and Lightning war was the best thematic fit, so I suggested that. If it is op, it’s other abilities could be tuned down, or the Puma idea discarded. I just hope some things will be tried using the beta so I suggest crazier ideas.
The only way I see that could let the puma exist is if the terrible timing it kept which also screws mobile defense over because the main draw of that commander is the puma itself. We've seen how the puma alone can be so incredibly oppressive in ostheer even when it only has 1-2 good abilities alongside it and I would say lightning war has 3-4 good abilities that would come alongside it.
I don’t see the puma ever being buffed that’s why.
Puma itself can’t be buffed because any buff would make OKW’s puma over powered.
Timing can’t be changed because 4cp/BP1 is too early, and 5cp/bp2 is too late.
So all that’s left is putting it in commanders with good other abilities to compensate. I think Mobile defence could use some buffs as well with current Puma power.
Although those commanders may not be super exciting I don't really think they need any changes beyond maybe a couple small buffs to some abilities.
I will leave you with this line of thought though,
(Me,) I think that the changes from my original post would make Lighting war and Spearhead more desirable than other Ostheer commanders. But, the changed commaders (with proposed changes) are on the same level as the other factions commanders .
Ostheer used to have an advantage with its stock units, none of them being locked behind side techs/tech paths, and them being better than their counterparts. And, they had T4 which was equivalent to the power of allied doctrines.
But over the years, the other factions have (rightfully) gotten easier access to team weapons and had their team weapons buffed to be usable, and been given better stock options to deal with Ost T4 alongside the nerfs to it.
If changes to commanders like I had were proposed back when Ost T4 was hard to counter without doctrines, and Allied team weapons were hard to get and weak, I would have agreed with Vipper’s sentiment that the doctrines were over the top.
But, now stock Ostheer is on the same footing as Allied stock, but their commanders remain below those of the allies as if Ostheer stock was still better than Allied stock. I think it is time that Ostheer commanders were brought up to par with Allied commanders, just like how Allied stock has been brought up over the years to Ost levels.
Please tell me what you think of this sentiment.
Do you see that ostheer’s commaders on the same level as other faction’s commaders, or do they have something stock that makes their commaders have to be weak, or do you agree that Ostheers’ commanders be brought up to other Factions’ commaders’ power levels?