21 kill vet 5 volks sturmgewehr vs 7 kill vet 3 bar rifles.
Range 10.
Who wins?
Bar rifles.
Easily I´ll add.
Wake up balance team. USF is nuts to play against esp combined with that uber-cheesy 50.cal WC51.
Okw vs USF balance plz
28 Nov 2020, 20:10 PM
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3 Dec 2020, 10:26 AM
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Wrong sub-forum.
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3 Dec 2020, 11:13 AM
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21 kill vet 5 volks sturmgewehr vs 7 kill vet 3 bar rifles.
Range 10.
Who wins?
Bar rifles.
Easily I´ll add.
Wake up balance team. USF is nuts to play against esp combined with that uber-cheesy 50.cal WC51.
ST VG are 260/60 mu units while Double bar riflemen are 280/120 mu unit.
The riflemen should win in such an exchange especially at the favorable range of 10 and equal veterancy. Vg would perform better at max range.
3 Dec 2020, 13:00 PM
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Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1
21 kill vet 5 volks sturmgewehr vs 7 kill vet 3 bar rifles.
Range 10.
Who wins?
Bar rifles.
Easily I´ll add.
Wake up balance team. USF is nuts to play against esp combined with that uber-cheesy 50.cal WC51.
How did OPOP riflemanz get only 7 kills while poor poor UP volks got 21?
3 Dec 2020, 18:25 PM
#5
Posts: 1594
ST VG are 260/60 mu units while Double bar riflemen are 280/120 mu unit.
The riflemen should win in such an exchange especially at the favorable range of 10 and equal veterancy. Vg would perform better at max range.
Do VG beat rifles at absolutely any range at vet/upgraded?
3 Dec 2020, 18:43 PM
#6
Posts: 940
Volks behind sandbag OP!
Seriously, 10 range is almost optimal for that squad, at 8 range they have the vast majority of their DPS. If they get closer I usually press T unless I'm certain they've been shot to pieces. You need to force them to come to you (behind cover) or at least get shot up on approach from 35, which StG44s will do very well. They'll outscale you squad for squad but your squad is cheaper and can easily force them out of nearby cover (and cripple their dps whilst moving).....
WC51 is broken OP but being addressed in the upcoming patch. Will it require more nerfs? Time will tell.
Seriously, 10 range is almost optimal for that squad, at 8 range they have the vast majority of their DPS. If they get closer I usually press T unless I'm certain they've been shot to pieces. You need to force them to come to you (behind cover) or at least get shot up on approach from 35, which StG44s will do very well. They'll outscale you squad for squad but your squad is cheaper and can easily force them out of nearby cover (and cripple their dps whilst moving).....
WC51 is broken OP but being addressed in the upcoming patch. Will it require more nerfs? Time will tell.
3 Dec 2020, 19:25 PM
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The real Kepler would be ashamed.
Read the changelog, the dodge is planned to be nerfed and as other have explained there's no reason a Volks would ever trade effectively against a double bar Rifle at 10 range.
Read the changelog, the dodge is planned to be nerfed and as other have explained there's no reason a Volks would ever trade effectively against a double bar Rifle at 10 range.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
3 Dec 2020, 19:43 PM
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Posts: 1515
Do VG beat rifles at absolutely any range at vet/upgraded?
VG's beat rifles at long range only, upgrades or not, similar vet of course.
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
https://coh2stats.com/players/76561198031032150
https://coh2stats.com/players/76561198031032150
3 Dec 2020, 20:35 PM
#9
Posts: 1594
VG's beat rifles at long range only, upgrades or not, similar vet of course.
I assumed when Bar'd rifles would end up winning out at max range, if im honest. I hadn't tested it, though. I'm almost certain they do if they have 1919s.
3 Dec 2020, 20:41 PM
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I assumed when Bar'd rifles would end up winning out at max range, if im honest. I hadn't tested it, though. I'm almost certain they do if they have 1919s.
Double Bar Riflemen completely stomp STG VGs at any range.
3 Dec 2020, 22:56 PM
#11
Posts: 1515
Double Bar Riflemen completely stomp STG VGs at any range.
Just checked. Fields of winnekendonk, mid VP, max range cover to cover vet3 rifles vs vet5 volks. Both max upgraded. Volks won 8/10 fights.
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
https://coh2stats.com/players/76561198031032150
https://coh2stats.com/players/76561198031032150
4 Dec 2020, 11:25 AM
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Just checked. Fields of winnekendonk, mid VP, max range cover to cover vet3 rifles vs vet5 volks. Both max upgraded. Volks won 8/10 fights.
Lmao sure dude.
I just checked and double bar vet 3 riflemen won without dropping a single model vs vet 5 volks with STGs. At max-range + behind sandbags everyone in green cover. Are you sure you tested this in coh2 and not some other game?
Just FYI if you don't believe me:
A Bar has 3.9 DPS at max range while a STG has 1.44. A Riflemen Garand has 1.7 and a Volks K98 1.8 while Riflemen have 0.64 RA at vet 3 and Volks have 0.77.
So it's not even close that double Bar Riflemen have a huge advantage.
Check the stats here: https://coh2db.com
5 Dec 2020, 04:55 AM
#13
Posts: 783
Just checked. Fields of winnekendonk, mid VP, max range cover to cover vet3 rifles vs vet5 volks. Both max upgraded. Volks won 8/10 fights.
I'm quite baffled as well at these results. There mustve been some other variables in play.... even if neither squad ended up with weapon upgrades, vetted rifles should edge out at long range due to superior vet.
At vet 0 no upgrades, volks trade roughly evenly with rifles at max range-which ends up being in their favor as they are a cheaper squad.
But volks should not be "winning" in the way you've described unless there's something else going on.
5 Dec 2020, 06:12 AM
#14
Posts: 884
21 kill vet 5 volks sturmgewehr vs 7 kill vet 3 bar rifles.
Range 10.
Who wins?
Bar rifles.
Easily I´ll add.
Wake up balance team. USF is nuts to play against esp combined with that uber-cheesy 50.cal WC51.
Just focus on the strengths of your preferred faction and realize you have it a lot easier than your USF opponent.
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