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Brit Paratroopers

9 Sep 2020, 02:17 AM
#1
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It'd be nice to see British Paratroopers using Enfields and a 6 man sqaud. After a series of unending nerfs the faction currently has no effective infantry whatsoever, so it would be nice for Brits to have something that could compete with stuff like 5-man Grens, Fallschrimjagers, and so on. Also it would look cool to see the airlanding officer skin used for that sqaud.
9 Sep 2020, 06:00 AM
#2
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While I disagree with the reasoning, the idea is cool. The model that is currently used as an Officer is actually wearing a British Paratrooper uniform. I thought it would be cool if you could create Panzerfusilier-like units from Gliders.
9 Sep 2020, 06:50 AM
#3
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6 men squad with double Brens that have around Ober's LMG DPS.
What possibly can go wrong?
9 Sep 2020, 09:10 AM
#4
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I am sorry but you are getting confused with COH 1, we all had a tough time moving on from COH1 to COH2 but its in the past. It was a glorified game highly deserving of the praise, a lot of accurate units and variety of it such as the one you mentioned yourself.

But yeah incorrect game tho.
9 Sep 2020, 09:37 AM
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I think if some of the attachments to the officer model were removed like what was done for 7man con (helmet and belt) a suitable model could be made.

Mirror stats with USF paratroopers and call it a day. The only issue is 5man grens out trade paras in the MP war
9 Sep 2020, 10:02 AM
#6
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Sep 2020, 06:50 AMVipper
6 men squad with double Brens that have around Ober's LMG DPS.
What possibly can go wrong?


Agreed. Brit mainline is effective once upgraded to Brens for late game, in cover (which should be found among craters in teamgames and regular cover in 1v1s). Officer is great for close range and synergizes well with sappers or even piat carrying sappers.

If you were to implement them, you would have to be careful not to overpower them.
Still, alongside commandos and ISs, I don't really think it's needed. Put 2 Brens on commandos and call it a day for enemy infantry.
9 Sep 2020, 11:27 AM
#7
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Sep 2020, 06:50 AMVipper
6 men squad with double Brens that have around Ober's LMG DPS.
What possibly can go wrong?


Soviet Guards can do this and there isn't much of a problem
9 Sep 2020, 11:33 AM
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Soviet Guards can do this and there isn't much of a problem

Air Guards have 3 SVT not 4 Enfield have bigger, target size and do not have camo/first strike bonus.

Double bren Commandos with 3 sten are already too very strong adding 4 enfields and extra member is recipe for problems.

A 4 men commando long range squad make allot more sense if there is a need for one.
9 Sep 2020, 13:37 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Sep 2020, 02:17 AMCODGUY
so it would be nice for Brits to have something that could compete with stuff like 5-man Grens, Fallschrimjagers, and so on.


Have you ever considered getting the 5 man upgrade and / or MGs for your sections ?
9 Sep 2020, 14:28 PM
#10
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Sep 2020, 02:17 AMCODGUY
the faction currently has no effective infantry whatsoever,


Aren't Infantry Sections considered over tuned right now?
9 Sep 2020, 14:29 PM
#11
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Sep 2020, 11:33 AMVipper


Double bren Commandos with 3 sten are already too very strong adding 4 enfields and extra member is recipe for problems.

A 4 men commando long range squad make allot more sense if there is a need for one.


They can be 5 man of Offices model carry rifle without camo. Can upgrade to bren or silenced sten for camo.
9 Sep 2020, 14:53 PM
#12
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They can be 5 man of Offices model carry rifle without camo. Can upgrade to bren or silenced sten for camo.

There are allot of options but 6 men commando squads with 4 enfield and 2 brens as suggested by OP is not a good option
9 Sep 2020, 17:15 PM
#13
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I understand that buffing the most OP faction is the goal of this thread. Genuine congratulations!
13 Sep 2020, 05:19 AM
#14
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I understand that buffing the most OP faction is the goal of this thread. Genuine congratulations!


Yeah it's not 2015 anymore. This is easily the worst (or hardest to play) faction in the game right now since they sorely lack a good infantry unit. That good infantry unit at one time was the Infantry Section. It was important for that unit to be scalable and excel throughout the game because it was really all the faction had. The stats were wreaked over that last few patches and here we are.
13 Sep 2020, 19:01 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Sep 2020, 05:19 AMCODGUY


Yeah it's not 2015 anymore. This is easily the worst (or hardest to play) faction in the game right now since they sorely lack a good infantry unit. That good infantry unit at one time was the Infantry Section


If only Sections were as good AI wise as the Elefant tank...


Vanilla [Unit] DPS while standing on: 10 : 20 : 35 Range

Grenadiers: 4.374 : 3.374 : 2.263

Volks: 3.460 : 2.702 : 1.807

Sections: 4.219 : 3.674 : 2.861


Vanilla [Unit] DPS while moving on: 10 : 20 : 30 Range

Grenadiers: 2.008 : 1.517 : 1.143

Volks: 1.604 : 1.218 : 0.919

Sections: 1.953 : 1.707 : 1.458


Reload time:

Sections: 1.25

Volks: 1.5 - 2.6

Grenadiers: 1.5 - 2.6


Target size:

Volks: 1

Grenadiers: 0.91

Sections: 0.85


13 Sep 2020, 20:02 PM
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If only Sections were as good AI wise as the Elefant tank...


Vanilla [Unit] DPS while standing on: 10 : 20 : 35 Range

Grenadiers: 4.374 : 3.374 : 2.263

Volks: 3.460 : 2.702 : 1.807

Sections: 4.219 : 3.674 : 2.861


Vanilla [Unit] DPS while moving on: 10 : 20 : 30 Range

Grenadiers: 2.008 : 1.517 : 1.143

Volks: 1.604 : 1.218 : 0.919

Sections: 1.953 : 1.707 : 1.458


Reload time:

Sections: 1.25

Volks: 1.5 - 2.6

Grenadiers: 1.5 - 2.6


Target size:

Volks: 1

Grenadiers: 0.91

Sections: 0.85




That pretty much sums it. Add double Brens to them, you have infantry that scales late game vs Obers and other elite Axis infantry. Don't really see the problem with Brit mainline infantry. Also consider the fact that for lategame, double bren is "only" 90 munitions, which is a bargain.

And if you pick commander with commandos, putting double brens on them makes them pretty good at close and medium range.

Brits are neither the worst nor the hardest to play. There are no "hard" factions to play, each has it's system of governing. Even less so "weakest". Each has it's weak points.
14 Sep 2020, 01:20 AM
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20 Sep 2020, 02:03 AM
#18
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That pretty much sums it. Add double Brens to them, you have infantry that scales late game vs Obers and other elite Axis infantry. Don't really see the problem with Brit mainline infantry. Also consider the fact that for lategame, double bren is "only" 90 munitions, which is a bargain.

And if you pick commander with commandos, putting double brens on them makes them pretty good at close and medium range.

Brits are neither the worst nor the hardest to play. There are no "hard" factions to play, each has it's system of governing. Even less so "weakest". Each has it's weak points.


Um no. Brens are pretty terrible, being cheap doesn't really make up for how bad they are. Better to ohbI don't know, make them 60 munitions and way better? Brits have no counter to Fallschrimjagers, they're basically immune to UKF infantry.
23 Sep 2020, 08:13 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Sep 2020, 06:50 AMVipper
6 men squad with double Brens that have around Ober's LMG DPS.
What possibly can go wrong?

Do we see any rampaging blobs of USF LMG paras outside of 4 digit rank 4v4 tier?

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