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1 Apr 2020, 15:21 PM
#41
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The MG34 is arguably the worst MG in the game in both suppressive power and lethality of bullets.


The MG-34 is the worst MG in terms of DPS, hands down, but it has good suppression, probably vying for second-best after the MG-42 along with the M2HB (which, by the way, has the second worst HMG DPS after the MG-34).

For the OP, I don't really see any reason why OKW can't have caches. They already benefit from them in teamgames and the game has been moving towards making the factions more samey anyways.
1 Apr 2020, 16:03 PM
#42
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The MG-34 is the worst MG in terms of DPS, hands down, but it has good suppression, probably vying for second-best after the MG-42 along with the M2HB (which, by the way, has the second worst HMG DPS after the MG-34).


MG42 or .50?
1 Apr 2020, 17:18 PM
#43
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MG42 or .50?


The .50 cal has second worst DPS after the MG-34.

I believe from most damage to least it's Dshka, Vickers, MG-42, Maxim, M2HB, MG-34.
1 Apr 2020, 17:25 PM
#44
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Mar 2020, 10:58 AMRiley

1. non-doc MG? But all faction have mg. Dont understand.


I believe they were listing things OKW didn't have stock at launch. They didn't have the mg34 or P4 stock, and their income was reduced is what was being pointed out I think

1 Apr 2020, 18:13 PM
#45
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The .50 cal has second worst DPS after the MG-34.

I believe from most damage to least it's Dshka, Vickers, MG-42, Maxim, M2HB, MG-34.


Wouldn't call it second worse, considering it has about 15% higher dps than the MG42 at its optimal range:
.50 < mg42 at range 0 - 25
.50 = mg42 at range 25 - 32
.50 > mg42 at range 32 - 40
1 Apr 2020, 23:56 PM
#46
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Wouldn't call it second worse, considering it has about 15% higher dps than the MG42 at its optimal range:
.50 < mg42 at range 0 - 25
.50 = mg42 at range 25 - 32
.50 > mg42 at range 32 - 40


With respect, I don't know what stats you're looking at, but that's not really correct. M2HB has marginally higher (3% higher at it's best) DPS briefly in the midrange and then falls off again at distance. This is also somewhat inconsistent due to burst mechanics and the far higher aim time (up to 16x higher) of the M2HB compared to other MGs. The MG-42 also naturally benefits more from the 15% incremental accuracy boost due to it's higher burst time and rate of fire.

in any case: current DPS at distance 0/10/20/30/40 (rounded to second decimal place)
MG-42 28.26.../28.26.../18.73.../12.04.../8.45...
M2HB 26.82.../26.82.../18.84.../12.37.../7.70...

source: most recent coh2 AE weapon report and https://coh2db.com/stats/
2 Apr 2020, 01:00 AM
#47
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Mg42 DPS should be lower due to suppression though isn't that correct? Since the enemy eats dirt asap when it shoots they take less damage so even if the actual DPS is lower on the 50 it's doing the full of it a longer.
2 Apr 2020, 09:14 AM
#48
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My bad, I was looking at the graphs wrong, it's actually the other way around.

Did a simple test of each MG shooting at 21 clumped vet 3 Conscript models at around 30 range and got the following result:
Vickers > DSHK > MG42 > .50 > Maxim > MG34 in terms of how fast they killed all of them.

Doesn't say that much of course, because of how suppression works and other randomness factors, but I was still surprised to see the .50 perform worse than the MG42 which contradicts my ingame experience and to see the Maxim perform so poorly despite it having a good dps graph.

Might have to do it again but with the MG's firing against garrisoned squads so suppression isn't a factor.
2 Apr 2020, 11:54 AM
#49
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My bad, I was looking at the graphs wrong, it's actually the other way around.

Did a simple test of each MG shooting at 21 clumped vet 3 Conscript models at around 30 range and got the following result:
Vickers > DSHK > MG42 > .50 > Maxim > MG34 in terms of how fast they killed all of them.

Doesn't say that much of course, because of how suppression works and other randomness factors, but I was still surprised to see the .50 perform worse than the MG42 which contradicts my ingame experience and to see the Maxim perform so poorly despite it having a good dps graph.

Might have to do it again but with the MG's firing against garrisoned squads so suppression isn't a factor.

Maybe 4 model story? O.50 cal shoots mostly at 4 models fighting ost (will never shoot at cons) while mg42 will shoot usually at 5,6,(7) models. Time to kill 4 will be shorter than time needed to kill 5 or 6. The story will be different with OKW - but then they will use mg34.
3 Apr 2020, 06:57 AM
#50
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For the OP, I don't really see any reason why OKW can't have caches. They already benefit from them in teamgames and the game has been moving towards making the factions more samey anyways.


Only in trade of loosing non doc KT. Faction with all in stock? :hansGASM:
3 Apr 2020, 10:33 AM
#51
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jump backJump back to quoted post3 Apr 2020, 06:57 AMAradan


Only in trade of loosing non doc KT. Faction with all in stock? :hansGASM:


idk what people have with stupid KT no one plays this thing outside of 4vs4 scrup games...

Why invest in something that gets hardcounterd when hitting the field.

Put it in Elitepanzer

And remove Sturmtiger from the Game ... its already a useless unit.
3 Apr 2020, 11:49 AM
#52
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idk what people have with stupid KT no one plays this thing outside of 4vs4 scrup games...

Why invest in something that gets hardcounterd when hitting the field.

Why are you getting regular tiger?
You think its less hardcountered by TDs, having less armor and lower health?
4 Apr 2020, 01:45 AM
#53
avatar of CODGUY

Posts: 884

Oh man. Like this ez mode faction needs any more help.
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