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30% rate of fire increase might as well be swapping out mosins with other guns with how much better it is.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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30% rate of fire increase might as well be swapping out mosins with other guns with how much better it is.
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Only in cover. And it's still nowhere near the DPS increase that STG 44s/LMG 42/2x BAR/2x Brens give, so the bonus XP gain is still justified. Is the complete package slightly overperforming in terms of efficiency? I'd say over time it has proven so, but the XP gain bonus is not a part of that problem.
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Well the complaint by everyone is that the late game soviet mp economy is too efficient. Reducing xp gain on vet and new conscripts, thereby reducing field presence and increasing bleeding, and making reinforce costs 4mp more per model is a direct slight nerf to that overperforming mp economy.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Outside of vipper, who is that everyone you speak of?
The upgrade is designed to allow cons to win attrition battle and it does exactly that.
Don't bring exclusively small arms against them and they'll bleed just as any other squad, just not as cripplingly as they used to.
Other units inflict bleed by having better weapons and weapons upgrades.
Cons mitigate it by being durable and cheaper to reinforce.
Upgrade works exactly how its supposed to work by providing the above and a way to actually scale/be useful in late game.
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Reducing xp gain on vet and new conscripts, thereby reducing field presence and increasing bleeding, and making reinforce costs 4mp more per model is a direct slight nerf to that overperforming mp economy.
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Only in cover. And it's still nowhere near the DPS increase that STG 44s/LMG 42/2x BAR/2x Brens give, so the bonus XP gain is still justified. Is the complete package slightly overperforming in terms of efficiency? I'd say over time it has proven so, but the XP gain bonus is not a part of that problem.
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Happy reading
https://www.coh2.org/topic/102871/state-of-the-soviets
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Not sure how you'd qualify an increase of 4mp per reinforced model as a "slight" nerf. That'd be more than what they cost to reinforce without the upgrade.
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I am not sure why you think that vet 0 lmg Grenadier will have an easier time vetting vs vet3 Penal/7men conscripts/Double bar riflemen/Double bren 5 men sections.
I am not sure that "slightly" is the correct term here.
Isn’t it 21mp originally as 6 men? If not make it whatever is is as 6 men. Basically don’t lower reinforce cost when they upgrade.
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They cost 20 to reinforce stock. And it goes down to 17 with the upgrade.
Discussing balance and suggesting changes would have a lot more weight if you'd actually bother to do some research to make sure you're using all the correct numbers rather than what seems to be just coming up with stuff on the spot.
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I'm quite sure vet 0 Cons even with the 7 men upgrade will struggle harder versus vet 3 LMG Grens or vet 5 STG44 Volks than vet 0 LMG Grens will against vetted and upgraded Allied units.
LMG Grens can use their ranged DPS advantage to take more favourable engagements, while Cons can not. The small XP gain bonus helps even this out.
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People forgetting that Ost has 2 distinct infantry units? One is better at defending and one just got some great buffs making them more viable taking the fight to the enemy. I know it's hard to believe here but needing different units to fill different roles is a good design vs WFA 1 unit to do it all...
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I think it's time to make a proper thread for Conscript 7 man upgrade instead of doing it in this one.
PD: unless OP wants me to change the title of this thread.
(LV pop? Nope this is a Cons 7 man thread)
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