Axis gets free stuff for teching
12 Dec 2019, 19:58 PM
#21
Posts: 249
Axis get it for free because they have pay all of the stuff in 1 purchase. Allies have the option to skip nades, weapon racks, medical units among others in order to more quickly advance into the next tier(s), which allows them to field light vehicles more quickly.
12 Dec 2019, 20:01 PM
#22
Posts: 4474
It's not free, even if they pay all together they still pay it total okw cost is 255 USF/ukf is 250
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12 Dec 2019, 20:05 PM
#23
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It's not free, even if they pay all together they still pay it total okw cost is 255 USF/ukf is 250
They get it for free in the sense that it comes with a main package(Ostheer phases, OKW trucks) and costs more as a result. This obviously doesn't extend to the allies that have the costs split into more seperate options that can be unlocked on the go or later, with the downside that it takes more time to fully unlock a tree(though it is unlikely the upgrades will be bought in a queue).
12 Dec 2019, 20:09 PM
#24
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Actually it does not take more time as trucks and battle phases have build time like upgrades
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12 Dec 2019, 20:41 PM
#25
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Yeah but Allies get better units, so think on that.
Like cons are better then grens?
Or T34 is better then P4? (according to vipper at least)
Or maxim is better then HMG42?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
12 Dec 2019, 21:20 PM
#26
Posts: 4474
YES KAT IS RIGHT there is no better unit, u simply pay for what u get there are some outliner sometimes tho (gough t 70 gough) but the mod team will hopefully make the game balanced
Like cons are better then grens?
Or T34 is better then P4? (according to vipper at least)
Or maxim is better then HMG42?
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13 Dec 2019, 00:56 AM
#27
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Like cons are better then grens?
Or T34 is better then P4? (according to vipper at least)
Or maxim is better then HMG42?
Like Riflemen are better than Grens and Volks
LMG Paras wreck everyone
T70 is the best light vehicle
Jackson M36 is the best TD
T34/85 is tied for best medium tank unless you count Panther
.50 is the best offensive MG
AVRE is the best heavy rocket assault gun
Pack Howitzer is the best mortar in the game
ISU-152 is the best assault gun
IS-2 is the best heavy tank
Shock Troops are the best CQC squad
Huh....not bad
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13 Dec 2019, 03:01 AM
#28
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Like Riflemen are better than Grens and Volks
LMG Paras wreck everyone
T70 is the best light vehicle
Jackson M36 is the best TD
T34/85 is tied for best medium tank unless you count Panther
.50 is the best offensive MG
AVRE is the best heavy rocket assault gun
Pack Howitzer is the best mortar in the game
ISU-152 is the best assault gun
IS-2 is the best heavy tank
Shock Troops are the best CQC squad
Huh....not bad
Best rocket arty would go to axis
Best elite infantry goes so hard to okw its not even funny between falls, Obers and JLI
Best stock heavy tank
Best RECON IRHT
Best starting unit sturms
Best MG mg42
Best teching bonuses (first tech for OKW unlocks snares, lava nades, mg, weapon upgrades AND a collection of 3 new units)
Best heavy AT goes to the axis as well between the pak 43, JT and elefant
Best man AT is undeniably the Shrek
Best halftrack is definitely the 251
Best selection of healing is also axis
Starting to think that both sides have different strong points and it's not all one sided.... Need more research though.
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13 Dec 2019, 05:10 AM
#29
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Remove the cheesy as fuck IR half track
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13 Dec 2019, 07:28 AM
#30
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Could be fun if pfaust were to be unlock before usage.
13 Dec 2019, 07:44 AM
#31
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Absolutely, although I find vet 3 LT with double BARs to be extremely strong. Officer passive sprint is very strong.
I don't know if it's just me but a double BARed Riflemen sqaud seems like it works slightly better than a double BARed LT sqaud.
To the OP, USF does get free sqauds with teching but it does suck when you factor in the side tech for weapon racks, side tech for grenades, retreating and walking around the whole friggen base to get a weapon, then having to vet to get AT snares. Having to do all that is a bit much even with a free sqaud or two.
13 Dec 2019, 08:04 AM
#32
Posts: 1563
A lot of the current balance issues (axis stomping allies) lies in the free stuff axis gets while every allied faction needs to pay for even the slightest upgrade. How can we fix this?
My proposal is splitting the main- and sidetech cost, and increase the cost to finally match the ones of allies.
Won't that mean that axis stuff hit the field earlier.
13 Dec 2019, 08:26 AM
#33
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Like Riflemen are better than Grens and Volks
LMG Paras wreck everyone
T70 is the best light vehicle
Jackson M36 is the best TD
T34/85 is tied for best medium tank unless you count Panther
.50 is the best offensive MG
AVRE is the best heavy rocket assault gun
Pack Howitzer is the best mortar in the game
ISU-152 is the best assault gun
IS-2 is the best heavy tank
Shock Troops are the best CQC squad
Huh....not bad
You forgot the fact with mark target + T35/85. Don't tommy para's annihilates shocks.
13 Dec 2019, 08:30 AM
#34
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You forgot the fact with mark target + T35/85. Don't tommy para's annihilates shocks.
OKW got stronger mark target on command panther (so 2 comparable abilities rolled into 1 slot).
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
13 Dec 2019, 08:38 AM
#35
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OKW got stronger mark target on command panther (so 2 comparable abilities rolled into 1 slot).
True but panthers cant deal with infantry nor you can get more than 1 of + it's like 19 pop + it's like worst of the heavy "ish" callins.
Oh.. just what are the stats of the com.panther mark target.
13 Dec 2019, 09:05 AM
#36
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I don't know if it's just me but a double BARed Riflemen sqaud seems like it works slightly better than a double BARed LT sqaud.
...
That should depend on range since the LT has a Thompson that should give the edge at range bellow around 18.
13 Dec 2019, 09:08 AM
#37
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True but panthers cant deal with infantry nor you can get more than 1 of + it's like 19 pop + it's like worst of the heavy "ish" callins.
Oh.. just what are the stats of the com.panther mark target.
Command panther provides 50% damage buff, mark target 35%.
CPs aura also when vetted affects infantry and tanks, greatly increasing their offensive capabilities, which more then makes up for where it itself lacks.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
13 Dec 2019, 09:15 AM
#38
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Command panther provides 50% damage buff, mark target 35%.
CPs aura also when vetted affects infantry and tanks, greatly increasing their offensive capabilities, which more then makes up for where it itself lacks.
50% that's nice. Sadly the luchs puma Command Panther is dead.
13 Dec 2019, 09:18 AM
#39
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Command panther provides 50% damage buff, mark target 35%.
CPs aura also when vetted affects infantry and tanks, greatly increasing their offensive capabilities, which more then makes up for where it itself lacks.
That is inaccurate:
C.P.
+25% damage to marked vehicle.
+15% received accuracy to marked vehicle.
(the aura need vet 5 to affect infatry.)
14 Dec 2019, 06:18 AM
#40
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Since when are officers as good as pgrens? They need the weapon/nade tech anyway to even be remotely comparable in power
The Lt is on par with a pgren (they beat pgrens at close range, lose slightly at mid and long range), the Capt is on par with pgren after getting the bar. rEmoTeLY cOmParAblE? Stop lying, you're clearly allied biased and you still try to hide it.
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