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28 Oct 2019, 11:15 AM
#1
avatar of joseph_fagslaya_diao

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Rifleman blobs are FAR too op right now. Rifleman historically and in game should not have a chance against veteran volksgrenadier squad
28 Oct 2019, 11:22 AM
#2
avatar of hans-panda

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I think riflemen are overtuned at the moment. Either buff pgrens/volks or any mainline axis or nerf riflemen damage. But i only play Soviets so I cant really complain XD
28 Oct 2019, 11:40 AM
#3
avatar of Stormjäger

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If you think Riflemen are bad, wait until you meet an LMG Paratrooper blob.
28 Oct 2019, 11:50 AM
#4
avatar of Heavy Sapper

Posts: 382

Rifleman blobs are FAR too op right now. Rifleman historically and in game should not have a chance against veteran volksgrenadier squad


Historically, gren or volk with theirs bolt action rifles should not have a chance again rifle with semi auto weapons.
28 Oct 2019, 13:46 PM
#5
avatar of Mazianni

Posts: 472

Rifleman blobs are FAR too op right now. Rifleman historically and in game should not have a chance against veteran volksgrenadier squad


Your "veteran" volksgrenadier squads were an amalgamation of barely trained conscripts, men previously deemed unfit for service, and transfers from the Luftwaffe and kriegsmarine held together by veteran NCOs.

The trope of the elite Wehrmacht / WSS was probably always more fantasy and fiction than fact, but it certainly wasn't the reality in late '44 and '45.

By this point in the war the average allied soldier on both fronts was generally better trained and equipped than whatever manpower Germany could continue to draw upon.


If anything volksgrenadiers should function like how Tommies do now, with an out-of-cover penalty, given that they were purely defensive divisions lacking any sort of heavy equipment. If we went that balancing route I could even see giving them in-cover camo or something.



Historically, gren or volk with theirs bolt action rifles should not have a chance again rifle with semi auto weapons.


Come on man, don't you play video games? Semi-auto rifles magically do less damage than their bolt-action counterparts, no matter the cartridge being fired. Besides, it's not like cycling a bolt-action and keeping sight picture under fire is difficult or anything.

It really is a wonder how Germany lost WW2 at all.
28 Oct 2019, 14:03 PM
#6
avatar of Musti

Posts: 95


It really is a wonder how Germany lost WW2 at all.

Don't you know? Soviet "General Winter", "human wave tactics" and "infinite manpower", meddling madman Hitler, also Italy did nothing and was useless etc. Excuses are piling up already
Its not like a better fighting force has beaten the worse fighting force, nope, never, not with Germans having "superior" technology, "superior" generals, "superior" training.

Anyway, it's a game, none of it matters anyway when it comes to gameplay or balance.
28 Oct 2019, 14:13 PM
#7
avatar of Mr Carmine

Posts: 374

If you think Riflemen are bad, wait until you meet an LMG Paratrooper blob.


Fallshirmjeagers are at the top offenders. Watch a group/blob delete sqauds in seconds at long range. Coming from out of cover its even better.
Claoking snaring smoking cover deneying and nade wiping along side very good dps. And no 4 men does not balance that out, they have the best recc acc in the game and cost just as much as pgrens.

As long as this unit remains as is all other whyning about allied x unit op is invalid.

28 Oct 2019, 17:59 PM
#8
avatar of Alphrum

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Fallshirmjeagers are at the top offenders. Watch a group/blob delete sqauds in seconds at long range. Coming from out of cover its even better.
Claoking snaring smoking cover deneying and nade wiping along side very good dps. And no 4 men does not balance that out, they have the best recc acc in the game and cost just as much as pgrens.

As long as this unit remains as is all other whyning about allied x unit op is invalid.



go update ur game falls got ther nerfs. u telling me they wipe quicker then LMG paras at long range? lol
28 Oct 2019, 23:46 PM
#9
avatar of Mr Carmine

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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Oct 2019, 17:59 PMAlphrum


go update ur game falls got ther nerfs. u telling me they wipe quicker then LMG paras at long range? lol


That small price increase to 340 from 320 after recieving many many buffs... please its the same no impact nerf volks got.

To answer your question. No but they are not that far off.
But do para,s cloak and get dps bonus coming out of cloack? Can para,s snare? Can para,s do anti garrison or cover?

Falls are elite inf ambush inf and generalist inf all in one.
29 Oct 2019, 02:33 AM
#10
avatar of EffenNewbie

Posts: 1324

Rifleman blobs are FAR too op right now. Rifleman historically and in game should not have a chance against veteran volksgrenadier squad


This is somewhat amusing given that the USF and friends took back France faster from the Germans than the Germans took it from the French.

They took most of France in less than 4 weeks following the Normandy breakout. They did it by blobbing Riflemen and 75mm Shermans.




29 Oct 2019, 18:43 PM
#14
avatar of blancat

Posts: 604

Rifleman blobs are FAR too op right now. Rifleman historically and in game should not have a chance against veteran volksgrenadier squad


typically horrible Cyber Weahraboo

So how can allies win from axis?

All USF rifle squad have semi-auto rifles and 1 or 2 auto-rifle meanwhile axis infantry squad have bolt action rifles and 1 LMG + 1~2 smg

The German infantry tended to be too obsessed with the one machine gun and easily collapsed when the machine gun failed to function

The US infantry squad was highly flexible, with a semi-automatic rifle that brought firepower advantage to the basic infantry versus infantry confrontation, and was able to replace different roles

Infantry squads that depend on few of veterans and machine guns vs
Infantry squads where all squad members were well trained and able to operate efficiently and flexibly + Armed with better small Arms


Do you need more comparisons?
29 Oct 2019, 20:13 PM
#16
avatar of Smiling Tiger

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This is somewhat amusing given that the USF and friends took back France faster from the Germans than the Germans took it from the French.

They took most of France in less than 4 weeks following the Normandy breakout. They did it by blobbing Riflemen and 75mm Shermans.


I mean that might be amusing if it weren't for the fact that Germany took France from both the French and the British who were both fighting on one front against only the Germans, unlike the Allies (not just the USF freeaboo) who were fighting a fuel and material starved Germany that was fighting on two fronts and had lost many of it's veterans over the last 5 years.
30 Oct 2019, 09:00 AM
#17
avatar of joseph_fagslaya_diao

Posts: 17

Daily reminder that Germany took France in 46 days against a well equipped French army with UK support while it took USF 80d to take the same amount of land from a ragtag fuel starved German army. Far too historically inaccurate to have incompetent US riflemen be even close to 1v1 superior Volksgrenadiers
30 Oct 2019, 09:13 AM
#18
avatar of Katitof

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Daily reminder that Germany took France in 46 days against a well equipped French army with UK support while it took USF 80d to take the same amount of land from a ragtag fuel starved German army. Far too historically inaccurate to have incompetent US riflemen be even close to 1v1 superior Volksgrenadiers

Daily reminder that french defense was stretched over ALL of germany boarder and germans went around it with all of their forces, while at the 1944-45 they were literally chained down to the frontline during defense and soviets and western allies didn't exactly cared about circling anything.

Daily reminder #2 that its completely irrelevant for game.
30 Oct 2019, 09:36 AM
#19
avatar of joseph_fagslaya_diao

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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 09:13 AMKatitof

Daily reminder that french defense was stretched over ALL of germany boarder and germans went around it with all of their forces, while at the 1944-45 they were literally chained down to the frontline during defense and soviets and western allies didn't exactly cared about circling anything.

Daily reminder #2 that its completely irrelevant for game.


So youre admitting french were basically trash compared to germans thx
30 Oct 2019, 10:05 AM
#20
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 09:13 AMKatitof

Daily reminder that french defense was stretched over ALL of germany boarder and germans went around it with all of their forces, while at the 1944-45 they were literally chained down to the frontline during defense and soviets and western allies didn't exactly cared about circling anything.

Daily reminder #2 that its completely irrelevant for game.

Learn the historical facts. French and Brits had a superior Army in the north too...which was much better equipped and stronger overall.

Problem was they had 1.ww tactics, poor moral, slow and long command-ways, was surprised every time and get into german "Kesselschlachten" with good plane support.
but allies had much better tanks and weapons.

germans had their commander at the front in the first tanks, had fast and light tanks, overrun the front and cuts the enemy off behind their line and close the pockets.

axis tanks had mostly no chance to penetrate french tanks....so they shot them immobile and let them stay there to let work paks
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