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by LUCKBAR 28th September 2018, 09:09 AM
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  • [00:00:37] LUCKBAR: i believe
  • [00:11:03] LUCKBAR: but you find my mines magically
  • [00:11:09] [c.B] Il capitano: mine sweepe
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28 Sep 2018, 09:09 AM
#1
avatar of LUCKBAR

Posts: 15

Before i official suspect anyone of maphacking, i want to know what you guys think about capitanos following movements:

min 11+12 perfect minesweeping

min 15+18 perfect flanking of a mg, which he never saw on that position

min 23 smoke on mg, before actually saw it

min 25 avoiding the cloaked raks in top right corner with his tanks

min 26 smoking the raks and suddenly chasing in

min 29 again a perfect flank on mg without seeing it

i watched everything in camera-following mode and still wonder, where he get the information about my cloaked raks and mg positions.

what do you guys think?
28 Sep 2018, 10:22 AM
#2
avatar of kanon

Posts: 50

u forgot to mention invincible unit hack and ghosting Kappa



28 Sep 2018, 10:24 AM
#3
avatar of brosras

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Everyone knows that the clan c.B, scammers!
28 Sep 2018, 11:28 AM
#4
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Sep 2018, 09:09 AMLUCKBAR
Before i official suspect anyone of maphacking, i want to know what you guys think about capitanos following movements:

min 11+12 perfect minesweeping

min 15+18 perfect flanking of a mg, which he never saw on that position

min 23 smoke on mg, before actually saw it

min 25 avoiding the cloaked raks in top right corner with his tanks

min 26 smoking the raks and suddenly chasing in

min 29 again a perfect flank on mg without seeing it

i watched everything in camera-following mode and still wonder, where he get the information about my cloaked raks and mg positions.

what do you guys think?


5:55 Cheats failed, exploded on a mine
8:50 cheats failed, we fell for mg
10:40 attached video
11-12 to put the mine sweeper in front of the tanks, it's so weird, I also think that is hacking
13:30 gave T70, "knowing" (through the hack) that he would be destroyed there
15 hm, what he had to do as a guard? go the long way to stand next to the penal in BLOB?
18 it may have been a strange flank, but later on, he uses it the same way, and when there is no MG (22 minute)
22 30 give smoke, but stood and waited, until he dispels, to be suppressed (multi-pass plan)
25 minutes he saw a rocket there. 26 minutes, gives there Smoke, suspicious
27 perfect rush panther
29 going to grab the point, accidentally saw mg-perfect flank!


30 Sep 2018, 20:41 PM
#5
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Sep 2018, 11:28 AMbrosras


5:55 Cheats failed, exploded on a mine
8:50 cheats failed, we fell for mg
10:40 attached video
11-12 to put the mine sweeper in front of the tanks, it's so weird, I also think that is hacking
13:30 gave T70, "knowing" (through the hack) that he would be destroyed there
15 hm, what he had to do as a guard? go the long way to stand next to the penal in BLOB?
18 it may have been a strange flank, but later on, he uses it the same way, and when there is no MG (22 minute)
22 30 give smoke, but stood and waited, until he dispels, to be suppressed (multi-pass plan)
25 minutes he saw a rocket there. 26 minutes, gives there Smoke, suspicious
27 perfect rush panther
29 going to grab the point, accidentally saw mg-perfect flank!




Thx for response and the short video :)
30 Sep 2018, 21:12 PM
#6
avatar of LUCKBAR

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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Sep 2018, 11:28 AMbrosras


11-12 to put the mine sweeper in front of the tanks, it's so weird, I also think that is hacking
13:30 gave T70, "knowing" (through the hack) that he would be destroyed there
15 hm, what he had to do as a guard? go the long way to stand next to the penal in BLOB?
18 it may have been a strange flank, but later on, he uses it the same way, and when there is no MG (22 minute)
22 30 give smoke, but stood and waited, until he dispels, to be suppressed (multi-pass plan)
25 minutes he saw a rocket there. 26 minutes, gives there Smoke, suspicious



11-12 and then going straight to the second mine with that sweeper with t70 supp

13:30 even maphack cant prevent unit losses, when being distracted somewhere else.

15 interesting, that he starts separate his units in THAT exact moment

18 wow, sth strange, but he is doing it again - so ok

22 smoke with which indication? he never saw mg before there

25 seing one rak is not an explanation for that stalling with 2 t3485 and then smoking the second he couldnt see

summarized, im still not convinced he played clean.
30 Sep 2018, 21:32 PM
#7
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30 Sep 2018, 21:36 PM
#8
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Sep 2018, 21:12 PMLUCKBAR


11-12 and then going straight to the second mine with that sweeper with t70 supp

13:30 even maphack cant prevent unit losses, when being distracted somewhere else.

15 interesting, that he starts separate his units in THAT exact moment

18 wow, sth strange, but he is doing it again - so ok

22 smoke with which indication? he never saw mg before there

25 seing one rak is not an explanation for that stalling with 2 t3485 and then smoking the second he couldnt see

summarized, im still not convinced he played clean.

Besides you neglecting half of brosras' counter points, your arguments make no sense, I'm wondering if we watched the same replay. He has never looked into the fog of war and he has lost units multiple times throughout the match where he could have saved them if he was indeeed maphacking. Your suspicions are him sending minesweepers ahead to look for mines, splitting units while approaching a position knowing that there's an mg somewhere and using smoke before a push? You gotta find stronger evidence than that I'm afraid.
1 Oct 2018, 07:20 AM
#9
avatar of LUCKBAR

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Besides you neglecting half of brosras' counter points, your arguments make no sense, I'm wondering if we watched the same replay. He has never looked into the fog of war and he has lost units multiple times throughout the match where he could have saved them if he was indeeed maphacking. Your suspicions are him sending minesweepers ahead to look for mines, splitting units while approaching a position knowing that there's an mg somewhere and using smoke before a push? You gotta find stronger evidence than that I'm afraid.



i dont know how exactly maphacking works (if you see units on minimap or through fog of war)
but suddenly not rushing a certain area of a map with his tanks without knowing about the existence of 2 raks is suspicious.

and running perfect flanks on mgs, which position he never saw before is also suspicious, i cant understand why you neglect that so easily.
it is a big map, why should he smoke an area out of nowhere? he has never seen that mg before. it is note e.g. like rails and metal where you know the chokepoints.

but i understand, cb guys will never be objective in this case.
1 Oct 2018, 08:09 AM
#10
avatar of Artavick

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i dont know how exactly maphacking works (if you see units on minimap or through fog of war)
but suddenly not rushing a certain area of a map with his tanks without knowing about the existence of 2 raks is suspicious.

and running perfect flanks on mgs, which position he never saw before is also suspicious, i cant understand why you neglect that so easily.
it is a big map, why should he smoke an area out of nowhere? he has never seen that mg before. it is note e.g. like rails and metal where you know the chokepoints.

but i understand, cb guys will never be objective in this case.

There have been several actual maphacking reports, and checking the replay makes it very obvious that they could see units both in the fog of war and on the minimap. Again I fail to see good reasoning behind your accusations. You're saying we're not being objective but so far we're only reporting what's happening on the replay and explaining what happened since you seem to not understand common tactics used in a CoH 2 match. Not rushing your tanks into the fog of war and going on an unexpected flank are signs of basic thinking, not maphacking. But i guess saying "It's a big map" is being objective, the left and right side are all chokepoints, no wonder he doesn't just bash his head in. Besides, if capitano was using maphacks how come he doesn't have a perfect record of wins, but instead loses like any other player?
1 Oct 2018, 10:22 AM
#11
avatar of blvckdream

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lol i watched this out of interest and first thing I see is capitano´s M3 getting rekt by a mine... maphack please?
1 Oct 2018, 12:56 PM
#12
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i dont know how exactly maphacking works (if you see units on minimap or through fog of war)
but suddenly not rushing a certain area of a map with his tanks without knowing about the existence of 2 raks is suspicious.

and running perfect flanks on mgs, which position he never saw before is also suspicious, i cant understand why you neglect that so easily.
it is a big map, why should he smoke an area out of nowhere? he has never seen that mg before. it is note e.g. like rails and metal where you know the chokepoints.

but i understand, cb guys will never be objective in this case.


Your accusation, fit under 90% of the top 20 players in 1v1 (this is called, read the game)
I think we should start banned all the top players
1 Oct 2018, 13:14 PM
#13
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Sep 2018, 21:12 PMLUCKBAR



15 interesting, that he starts separate his units in THAT exact moment



Were you sure watch about his camera?
He took cuttoff, and went flank these units, at the same time, the other went to his forehead
At what moment did he start separating them, what are you carrying!?
1 Oct 2018, 21:09 PM
#15
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Except one invised post this thread's discussion seems well-mannered to me. I hope a satisfying answer can be found soon.
1 Oct 2018, 22:58 PM
#16
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Watched the full game and there isn't anything that screams "maphack". There is a few odd moments with strange flanks and plays, but nothing that can't be attributed to game sense.

I think Brosras made his points clear enough and they stand more than high enough to clear this accusation IMO
2 Oct 2018, 06:26 AM
#17
avatar of SeijiAkatsuki

Posts: 45

i am sorry to say but Cap is not hacking mate. Because if you believe that level of play is equal to hack , then pretty much everyone in the ladder from 1 to ~200 would be hacker..... and then there are the top 10 players who always appear in tournament with an even higher level of skill.. Then what would they be consider as ??? GOD ? Ok it's a joke please don't take it seriously ?. But what i want to say is, Cap is a legitimate good player, not a hacker like you believe he is. Thanks and sorry for the long post , have a potato.
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