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SU sniperspam to prove they are OP but I still won

by Insane Ivan 16th August 2013, 14:45 PM
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Patch: 3.0.0.9945
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16 Aug 2013, 14:45 PM
#1
avatar of Insane Ivan

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Nice game where I couldn't drive around his SU85s and therefore lost 2 Panzer IVs but the main thing is that he tried to sniperspam me. Later he said that he wanted to prove that SU snipers are op. But I tried hard and was rewarded with a win over his 5 sniper teams. So even when spammed, you can counter them, here's the prove.
16 Aug 2013, 15:58 PM
#2
avatar of HFSzsoci

Posts: 119

Im a bad Rus player, and i think, you was Overall better player than me, with both race.

I feel SU sniper team OP, yeah, you not?

If i use a bit more AT unit, placed some mines in base entry, and not flow in resource, i think can earn the win with abuse this in late game...

gg wp.
16 Aug 2013, 17:26 PM
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This is a 960 player vs a 480 player, that's a fairly large discrepancy in skill level if you ask me. Su-85 + Sniper Spam is in fact unbeatable when comparable skill levels, in this case SU (80) G(60): http://www.coh2.org/replays/6871/unbeatble-soviet-build-this-patch
16 Aug 2013, 19:12 PM
#4
avatar of Insane Ivan

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@HFSzsoci:

true, with mines to protect your base and not that big of a sniper focus you could have won if no floating and no mistakes are done.

And still I don't really think the SU sniper team is extremely op, maybe it needs a little bit of nerfing true:

@SageOfTheSix: I havent looked at our stats, I just saw the levels with me being around 70 and him around 90. But true if very good players would do this SU85 and SU sniper thing its kinda op. But the SU85 is a whole other thing where I think thats a unit thats op, way more than the sniper.

And btw: I never use more than 2 snipers in a game because I want an interesting game and I hate it when people just try to spam snipers so I don't do it for myself even if it may be op. (HFSzsoci was trying out stuff to prove a point, thats ok :D)
16 Aug 2013, 21:22 PM
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@HFSzsoci:

true, with mines to protect your base and not that big of a sniper focus you could have won if no floating and no mistakes are done.

And still I don't really think the SU sniper team is extremely op, maybe it needs a little bit of nerfing true:

@SageOfTheSix: I havent looked at our stats, I just saw the levels with me being around 70 and him around 90. But true if very good players would do this SU85 and SU sniper thing its kinda op. But the SU85 is a whole other thing where I think thats a unit thats op, way more than the sniper.

And btw: I never use more than 2 snipers in a game because I want an interesting game and I hate it when people just try to spam snipers so I don't do it for myself even if it may be op. (HFSzsoci was trying out stuff to prove a point, thats ok :D)


I don't think Sniper + Su-85 isn't beatable, it's just that it REQUIRES LUCK to beat (lucky mortar or arty hit on snipers, lucky in that German doesn't pick a non-elephant doctrine beforehand to counter SU-85). IF German SNipers could effectively counter snipe a lot of this OP Synergy would be broken.
17 Aug 2013, 10:26 AM
#6
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p4 is useless , very hard to flank the su85, better get an ostwind and kill the infatry and make nebels against sniper spam. Sniper spam is OP when enemy use it from the beginning and need time to bring counter.
If he use it from the beginning better make 2-3 grens and 1 mg put them near halftrack and push back + mortal. Then go t4 for nebels and elefant if you want but that is not necessary because su85 wont hurt your infatry . You must have high ground against snipers.
17 Aug 2013, 12:31 PM
#7
avatar of Insane Ivan

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I don't think Sniper + Su-85 isn't beatable, it's just that it REQUIRES LUCK to beat (lucky mortar or arty hit on snipers, lucky in that German doesn't pick a non-elephant doctrine beforehand to counter SU-85). IF German SNipers could effectively counter snipe a lot of this OP Synergy would be broken.


then I had luck :D And yeah, a decent countersnipe for the germans yould be nice and like in COH1. that would sort that out I guess...

p4 is useless , very hard to flank the su85, better get an ostwind and kill the infatry and make nebels against sniper spam. Sniper spam is OP when enemy use it from the beginning and need time to bring counter.
If he use it from the beginning better make 2-3 grens and 1 mg put them near halftrack and push back + mortal. Then go t4 for nebels and elefant if you want but that is not necessary because su85 wont hurt your infatry . You must have high ground against snipers.


Now I wait until I have 2 P4s or P4 with a Stug and then try to flank the SU85 but yeah depends a lot on the terrain and is very risky.
And T4 is a good idea yeah! The Panzerwerfer may be a good counter for Snipers
17 Aug 2013, 16:51 PM
#8
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The panzerwerfer is a best Non Docrinal option as Ostheer vs end game sniper team spam, but i think, it is only a soft counter too, need lucky barrage, and my big pain, its very expensive for a T4 upgrade, with 200mp 50 fuel, and the price for T4 building(someting 160mp 35fuel?), plus Panzerwerfer 360mp/95Fuel is a Bad Joke, for only a soft counter solution, vs in end game protected(SU 85, At nade, Guards)and untachable T1! unit, who can in mass number, drain your mp, and cause WM player lost full squad at 50 range, longer than your sight, not fun play agains a player, who has 2 Su 85, Guards, At nade capable 3-4 Consricpt, and 3 Sniper team...

I want new patch, i don't like the old Coh1 sniper war, because to high risk/ situation, but at least that was balanced, better than now, really...
17 Aug 2013, 17:56 PM
#9
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you shouldnot care about su85 as i said. You should donimate in inf vs inf then su 85 wont hurt your infatry.
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