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Symbi vs Hans 1 hour epicness

by Symbiosis 11th August 2013, 14:40 PM
  • Ostheer flag HelpingHans
Kholodny Ferma Winter (4)
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  • Soviets flag aSIISymbiosis

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Patch: 3.0.0.9945
Duration: 01:00:52
11 Aug 2013, 14:40 PM
#1
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Quite a spectacular game I'd say ^^ Lots of back and forth, comebacks, baserushes etc.

Casted by TFN and me for the expert insight episodes:

11 Aug 2013, 14:46 PM
#2
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Watched this game live on Hans' channel. This is one one of the most exciting match ups I've ever seen. Can't wait for the replay video!
11 Aug 2013, 14:48 PM
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That was enjoyable to watch. :)

I sensed you were getting impatient when you made your SU85 rush?
11 Aug 2013, 14:54 PM
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Epic game Sym! Excellently played.
11 Aug 2013, 15:56 PM
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This is surely one of the best gameplays i have ever watched! Epic comeback Symbiosis!
11 Aug 2013, 16:35 PM
#6
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This is why this game doesn't work at high levels at the moment.

To be fair, it's a good replay, but it highlights the disparities between the factions. Maybe that's why it's good.

There are entire buildings that are more or less useless for the Germans (T4) along with entire units (the sniper/stug). The panther would have ended the game with 0 kills were it not for Syms overly aggressive push which resulted probably out of boredom. The Katyushka really turned the game, along with the SU85s (durrrrr). The snipers I bet frustrated hans more than anything. What is he supposed to do? Use harsh language and scare them off the field? Those three units I just previously mentioned currently have no match on the battlefield. They allow the Soviets to make great sweeping comebacks like this where they can essentially turtle themselves to victory. This is compounded on snow maps where range and blizzards come into effect (which is why I say blizzards effect the two factions differently and hence are not balanced - you have to remember, all of Hans essential units and infantry were affected by blizzards. Syms, not so much). I don't know how many blizzards were in this game, but it's probably at least 10. That's quite absurd.

Lastly, there is no finishing units for the Germans because T4 isn't viable and their call in armor is either too expensive for it's return or just outright sucks. Nothing of Hans doctrine offered anything in return. NOTHING. He used sector arty twice and that did nothing but hold a point for whatever seconds at 200 munitions. Sym? The exact opposite. Call in tanks, marked target, 120mm mortar, guards - all were essential to his play. The nonlinear gametrack for Germans ends the moment a clown car hits the field with snipers or flamers and guards as the follow up. That's it.

Were it not for the drama at the end, I would have thought I was watching a typical high level match.

sry about the dbl post - I misclicked "reply" instead of "edit"
11 Aug 2013, 16:41 PM
#7
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Ostheer dont have units other than maybe an ostwind or flame halftrack that force the soviets to say "oh shit!" and respond. Trouble is both of those units generally have counters on the field the same time they come out unless the game is completely one sided anyway. Soviets on the other hand have a unit or two each tier that force the germans to change the way they play. No I don't count heavies because they come late game, if they come at all.

Soviets really do benefit disproportionately from the blizzards, but even if they didn't I'd like to see the blizzard rate reduced by about a third cause they're annoying as shit. Trying to dig out an entrenched soviet especially on pripyat winter when the blizzards start kicking in constantly is an epic feat.

I also agree that with the german commanders, unlike coh1, theres none I really care about. I pretty much sit on my CPs most the game until I need a specific ability or MAYBE a call-in heavy and then I buy that doctrine while shrugging and saying "meh". Theres certainly no doctrine that I have found as an experienced german player that I would want to build my whole game around, mainly because call-in units dont exist before tigers.
13 Aug 2013, 10:45 AM
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Tbh guys I carelessly threw this game when I rushed in my two p4s to try and kill the su-85 which I didn't need to do. I should have sat there on the vps and waited for him to come to me.
13 Aug 2013, 15:07 PM
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I was going to say, this game was all Ostheer's to lose. Soviet wasn't "turtling" - he was literally pushed off the map into his base and Hans threw away numerous P4s. The easy win would've been to sit back, build the howitzer, and let VPs tick down while barraging Soviet base.
13 Aug 2013, 18:34 PM
#10
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I was going to say, this game was all Ostheer's to lose. Soviet wasn't "turtling" - he was literally pushed off the map into his base and Hans threw away numerous P4s. The easy win would've been to sit back, build the howitzer, and let VPs tick down while barraging Soviet base.


Right, now replace Hans with a Soviet player and tell me...could an Ostheer come back from that? No.
14 Aug 2013, 10:00 AM
#11
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I better watch this before they balance patch.
14 Aug 2013, 11:00 AM
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I better watch this before they balance patch.


You wut?!
15 Aug 2013, 11:16 AM
#13
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A very good game and very entertaining to watch.

Yet I have to agree with Dave in wide parts.

17 Aug 2013, 20:54 PM
#14
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when hans lose his first p4s, i want to cry, when he lost his Panther and Panzer4 in sym's base,(or runing away from there) i say why HH why. Why you attack his base?(and i cry :-))
I'm sad about HH lose. Because when anybody play good with Ostheer, i want he win. But both sides play good and congratulation Sym. Thx for upload.
20 Aug 2013, 00:26 AM
#15
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Nice game guys! I don't think I've ever seen Kholodny so devastated.
20 Aug 2013, 10:12 AM
#16
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Cast added to OP!
20 Aug 2013, 10:43 AM
#17
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Just watched TFN's cast of this game. Very good and very interesting!
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