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by Bulgakov 5th June 2017, 19:53 PM

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Patch: 3.0.0.21725
Duration: 00:17:24
5 Jun 2017, 19:53 PM
#1
avatar of Bulgakov

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How to handle double Vickers and Penalspam
5 Jun 2017, 20:44 PM
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avatar of aerafield

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Chat is empty, so where is the mentioned saltiness?

Btw we all or most of us know that the double OKW cancer works pretty well atm in 2s, no need to upload that 17 min game pridepost :snfPeter:
5 Jun 2017, 20:55 PM
#3
avatar of Bulgakov

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Chat is empty, so where is the mentioned saltiness?

Btw we all or most of us know that the double OKW cancer works pretty well atm in 2s, no need to upload that 17 min game pridepost :snfPeter:


Must pridepost...


dbl OKW works well but that's cost OH is weaksauce.


And c'mon, it's not like allies don't have a ton of destructive BS they are playing with. I'd say it's pretty balanced.
5 Jun 2017, 21:01 PM
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Must pridepost...


dbl OKW works well but that's cost OH is weaksauce.


And c'mon, it's not like allies don't have a ton of destructive BS they are playing with. I'd say it's pretty balanced.


Hmm not really.. a lot has changed since the last 2 patches. OKW can pull off its cancer much easier now. Maximal abuse of UKF + soviet and USF is almost equal I agree, but 1.) unlike OKW you need doctrines for that and 2.) the abuse of allies usually hits in mid-late game. Thats where OKW already has hardcounters for that abuse (KT, JT, LeFh etc.)

And dont forget this Forward Retreat Point nonsense. UKF and USF have it too, but their's are much more fragile and/or hit the field later.
5 Jun 2017, 23:56 PM
#5
avatar of Bulgakov

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Hmm not really.. a lot has changed since the last 2 patches. OKW can pull off its cancer much easier now. Maximal abuse of UKF and USF is almost equal I agree, but 1.) unlike OKW you need doctrines for that and 2.) the abuse of allies usually hits in mid-late game. Thats where OKW already has hardcounters for that abuse (KT, JT, LeFh etc.)

And dont forget this Forward Retreat Point nonsense. UKF and USF have it too, but their's are much more fragile and/or hit the field later.


What OKW cancer exactly? They have nothing comparable to allies in recent patches.

USF has the best retreat point 'cos it's free and you can move it. OKW's will get katy'd and artied mid game and die.

OKW are strong now, maybe some things are sa bit too strong but they're hardly gamebreaking like flamer penals and USF mortar from prev patch.

And UKF artillery.. What do OKW have, Volks, lol?
6 Jun 2017, 06:15 AM
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Hmm not really.. a lot has changed since the last 2 patches. OKW can pull off its cancer much easier now. Maximal abuse of UKF and USF is almost equal I agree, but 1.) unlike OKW you need doctrines for that and 2.) the abuse of allies usually hits in mid-late game. Thats where OKW already has hardcounters for that abuse (KT, JT, LeFh etc.)

And dont forget this Forward Retreat Point nonsense. UKF and USF have it too, but their's are much more fragile and/or hit the field later.


Hmmmmm. I agree that 2x OKW is pretty strong atmm though as you just said yourself. The 'OP' OKW things except early retreat point come late game (kt, jt, lefh). OKW isnt OP yet at all afther !7 mins of the game if i coppy your words.

Though youre right about lot of things. Its not really that OKW needs a nerf. Some allied units just need a buff.

By the way, OKW retreat point not that OP early game really. And when the OKW units start to hit high vet allies got the rocket launcher/howie counter.
6 Jun 2017, 08:40 AM
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What OKW cancer exactly? They have nothing comparable to allies in recent patches.

USF has the best retreat point 'cos it's free and you can move it. OKW's will get katy'd and artied mid game and die.


And UKF artillery.. What do OKW have, Volks, lol?




Hmmmmm. I agree that 2x OKW is pretty strong atmm though as you just said yourself. The 'OP' OKW things except early retreat point come late game (kt, jt, lefh). OKW isnt OP yet at all afther !7 mins of the game if i coppy your words.
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Talking about the ISG spam and stuka rush (<-- usually with cmd panther and recon flares) cancer to get rid of support guns. Additional problem with ISG spam: Even if you micro like a god, these things will constantly snipe models from you nevertheless. And that's BS.

Yes you can counter ISG spam with rocket artillery, but at this point, at least 1 OKW player alrdy has panther or something like that on the field usually, and now allies usually lack hard to counter this since they were forced to focus on the indirect fire cancer from OKW

Allies rely on combined arms to win the inf battle, you can't just "counter spam" or "counter blob" with your own inf to get rid of vetted volks and 8 minute obersoldaten (Yes this is possible). You need smart support gun usage, but ISG spam and stuka with recon flares will just show u the middle finger in that point

Btw why is USF retreat better?? 1 stuka barrage and at least major + ambulance get rekt.

6 Jun 2017, 08:51 AM
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Talking about the ISG spam and stuka rush (<-- usually with cmd panther and recon flares) cancer to get rid of support guns. Additional problem with ISG spam: Even if you micro like a god, these things will constantly snipe models from you nevertheless. And that's BS.

Yes you can counter ISG spam with rocket artillery, but at this point, at least 1 OKW player alrdy has panther or something like that on the field usually, and now allies usually lack hard to counter this since they were forced to focus on the indirect fire cancer from OKW

Allies rely on combined arms to win the inf battle, you can't just "counter spam" or "counter blob" with your own inf to get rid of vetted volks and 8 minute obersoldaten (Yes this is possible). You need smart support gun usage, but ISG spam and stuka with recon flares will just show u the middle finger in that point

Btw why is USF retreat better?? 1 stuka barrage and at least major + ambulance get rekt.



Totaly agree about the stuka+flares. Thats such bs. And well, you can rush a howie as sov but problem is that youre stuck with howie commanders just cuz okw builds ISG's.
6 Jun 2017, 08:58 AM
#9
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Talking about the ISG spam and stuka rush (<-- usually with cmd panther and recon flares) cancer to get rid of support guns. Additional problem with ISG spam: Even if you micro like a god, these things will constantly snipe models from you nevertheless. And that's BS.

Yes you can counter ISG spam with rocket artillery, but at this point, at least 1 OKW player alrdy has panther or something like that on the field usually, and now allies usually lack hard to counter this since they were forced to focus on the indirect fire cancer from OKW

Allies rely on combined arms to win the inf battle, you can't just "counter spam" or "counter blob" with your own inf to get rid of vetted volks and 8 minute obersoldaten (Yes this is possible). You need smart support gun usage, but ISG spam and stuka with recon flares will just show u the middle finger in that point

Btw why is USF retreat better?? 1 stuka barrage and at least major + ambulance get rekt.



Ya, but when you hear stuka you can move your retreat point/mass retreat, when ur OKW health truck gets focused by multiple rocket launchers or howies you can't do shit.
6 Jun 2017, 09:36 AM
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Ya, but when you hear stuka you can move your retreat point/mass retreat, when ur OKW health truck gets focused by multiple rocket launchers or howies you can't do shit.


This situation depends on luck. Even if you react immediately (which is unlikely since you need to micro a lot things at this stage of the match) once you hear the stuka sound, you lose or almost lose entire squads because the enemy can predict your movement/retreat path with his stuka barrage easily.
6 Jun 2017, 15:17 PM
#11
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Wehraboo prideposting while axis are OP. :clap:
6 Jun 2017, 19:07 PM
#12
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2nd game on rails and metal:




Thx for upload

7 Jun 2017, 17:09 PM
#13
avatar of Bulgakov

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2nd game on rails and metal:




Thx for upload



No worries, was epic game :)
7 Jun 2017, 17:51 PM
#14
avatar of Bulgakov

Posts: 987





Talking about the ISG spam and stuka rush (<-- usually with cmd panther and recon flares) cancer to get rid of support guns. Additional problem with ISG spam: Even if you micro like a god, these things will constantly snipe models from you nevertheless. And that's BS.

Yes you can counter ISG spam with rocket artillery, but at this point, at least 1 OKW player alrdy has panther or something like that on the field usually, and now allies usually lack hard to counter this since they were forced to focus on the indirect fire cancer from OKW

Allies rely on combined arms to win the inf battle, you can't just "counter spam" or "counter blob" with your own inf to get rid of vetted volks and 8 minute obersoldaten (Yes this is possible). You need smart support gun usage, but ISG spam and stuka with recon flares will just show u the middle finger in that point

Btw why is USF retreat better?? 1 stuka barrage and at least major + ambulance get rekt.



If ISGs are overperforming, I can sympathise. I remember when both ISG and USF pack gun were wrecking everything. Is there are balance thread about ISG, are other people complaining?


I disagree on allies using combined arms. Penal blobs, IS blobs and rifle blobs happen every game. With weapon upgrades they beat the Volks, even vetted ones.

8 min Obers? That can't happen very often though, right?
7 Jun 2017, 19:02 PM
#15
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If ISGs are overperforming, I can sympathise. I remember when both ISG and USF pack gun were wrecking everything. Is there are balance thread about ISG, are other people complaining?


I disagree on allies using combined arms. Penal blobs, IS blobs and rifle blobs happen every game. With weapon upgrades they beat the Volks, even vetted ones.

8 min Obers? That can't happen very often though, right?


Its 320 mp unit, and if u compare to other indirect fire mortar things, it kills units slower, (try in cheat mode if u dont believe me, what it has, is longer range, and thats it, no utiliy what so ever, no smoke, no fckin white phosphor. Thus, there is double or nothing, and cmon, its 640 mp, more than Lehf.
7 Jun 2017, 20:17 PM
#16
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Its 320 mp unit, and if u compare to other indirect fire mortar things, it kills units slower, (try in cheat mode if u dont believe me, what it has, is longer range, and thats it, no utiliy what so ever, no smoke, no fckin white phosphor. Thus, there is double or nothing, and cmon, its 640 mp, more than Lehf.


yeh the problem with double or triple ISG cancer is not the squad wiping, it's the constant model-sniping (even if you micro the squad away) + silly auto fire range on top of very good mobility. Also, the ISG is the most durable light indirect fire unit since the gun provides heavy cover unlike mortar or Pak Howitzer

And on a side note: ISGs parked next to a med HQ makes them so cheesy. With mortars or pak howis you cant do that this effective since allies dont have such a durable FHQ like OKW :)
7 Jun 2017, 22:21 PM
#17
avatar of ArnoLaz

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Everyone has downsides and upside, but to whine about german indirect fire, which they have basicly 5 to 14 allied... yes its powerful unit, usefull unit, but wouldnt call it op, double 120mm cost only 40 mp more, and is even harder to counter, and whipes everything (your mentioned FHQ) of the earth.
8 Jun 2017, 08:23 AM
#18
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Axis fanboys vs Allied fanboys, place your bets now :romeoHype:
9 Jun 2017, 15:25 PM
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Axis fanboys vs Allied fanboys, place your bets now :romeoHype:


Playing Axis and Allies equally makes them allied fanboys. Good to know.
9 Jun 2017, 19:40 PM
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Permanently Banned
Like pride post wars, one side play only axis (OKW) worse part of team, another just are abusers OpieOP.
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