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You also can't use them in close quarters engagements which is where grens start to fall apart.
I also don't think the lethality of the nade is the problem. Its the way units bunch up in cover that is the problem. 30 munitions to take out 1-2 models isn't worth it.
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I'll try again.
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Nades do wipe. That's what they are designed for.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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You also can't use them in close quarters engagements which is where grens start to fall apart.
I also don't think the lethality of the nade is the problem. Its the way units bunch up in cover that is the problem. 30 munitions to take out 1-2 models isn't worth it.
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So do demos.
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Demos are entirely different. Grenades have a timer and/or an obvious animation before they explode which gives your opponent time to react.
Demos don't have a timer before they explode nor do they have an animation. Once engineers planted a demo you can immediately trigger them if needed.
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Except rifle nades don't have an obvious animation, or timer and are much more accessible than demos. There's also a bug that can be abused to trigger the animation after the nade fires.
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if you don't move until the nade fires you will be hit by it. how badly depends on how fast you see and click and whether or not you get fucked over by pathing.
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Why not just reduce the range of the Riflegrenade by 15% or 20% as it scales to veterancy, and in exchange grenadiers are given a Model-24 Stielhandgranate for close-quarters?
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Why not just reduce the range of the Riflegrenade by 15% or 20% as it scales to veterancy, and in exchange grenadiers are given a Model-24 Stielhandgranate for close-quarters?
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Mr. Grammar Nazi, you do have a good point here! Give him 1 billion dollars!
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True, Probably best thing would be veterancy, like the stun grenade of the Sturmpioneers. When shocks, cons or what so ever come in close range, grenadiers get a asswhoop like hell. Yes they do excel at long range, but that doesn't mean that they should be completely annihalated when they have close combat, without any counter to it.
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Not to come off as standoffish, but does anyone other than JohnnyB have a problem with my suggestion?
To reiterate the idea is to reduce the riflegrenade range by 15-20% as it scales with veterancy, in exchange Grenadiers are equipped with Model-24 Stielhandgranates for close quarters.
Same grenade the Volksgrenadiers have and it helps Grenadiers not get bullied as much by Allied infantry in close quarters.
Rifle Grenade can be tied into tech or vet.
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i don't know im not in the loop enough but I do see a potentially big problem. That it makes the gren have 2 grenades which means nade spam.
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