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Ostheer's Panzer IV vs Sherman/T34 Costs

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23 May 2015, 13:15 PM
#101
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If at all the T-34/76 needs a price reduction. No performance buff. As it is it can handle infantry (4men squads). If it got a faster reload or better accuracy it would mow those squads down. The T-34/76 suffered from poor accuracy, poor vision and an overwhelmed commander who had to fulfill several tasks at once.

The T-34 should be about numbers, not quality.
23 May 2015, 17:40 PM
#105
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Post #103 invised for excessive flaming. Post #104 also invised, for citing the defamatory comments.

I can only repeat ad nauseam:if you see a post which you consider you have to report, do not cite the wording in your reply, otherwise if the offensive post is invised, so too will be your response.

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23 May 2015, 23:31 PM
#106
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IMO considering next patch. I really think the t34 would be great at 80-90 fuel. Its not supposed to be on par with the panzer4, but right now its too expensive for what it does. But make it any cheaper and t34 rushes become too good. Soviets should have always had the option to easily amass t34 tanks but they just don't get that option. Would be great fun if they could imo.

Also I would like to add that I think the panzer4s pen is too low, should be raised from 110 to 130. Would help it out a bit vs call in mediums that just stomp it despite being only 20 fuel more, as well as ever so slightly make it better vs is2. Minor tweak, would be especially warranted if t34 gets it price decrease. Imo would improve medium tank balance quite a bit.
23 May 2015, 23:33 PM
#107
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Its not supposed to be on par with the panzer4
Careful or that nutcase is coming back again screaming "zomg nazi!".
24 May 2015, 04:31 AM
#108
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Well u can even say same thing about cons rifle versus King tiger rear armor if u want...


Why did you bring up Cons in a small talk about Panzer 4 bounceing off the back of IS2/T-34/76s bouncing off the back of Tigers and King Tigers?


Why?
24 May 2015, 19:17 PM
#109
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25 May 2015, 07:38 AM
#110
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@Cardboard and @daspoulos I don't think you really want T34 to be cheaper or a change that will allow players to build more T34s than now. Having in view the moment it can hit the field, it's a problem allready for any axis faction. If you know what to do, it can hit the field realy fast and mess all oponents lines for a few minutes.
I don't know why T34 is considered to be so weak. I play no soviet game without it.
25 May 2015, 07:49 AM
#111
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 May 2015, 07:38 AMJohnnyB
@Cardboard and @daspoulos I don't think you really want T34 to be cheaper or a change that will allow players to build more T34s than now. Having in view the moment it can hit the field, it's a problem allready for any axis faction. If you know what to do, it can hit the field realy fast and mess all oponents lines for a few minutes.

Its worst tank in game which is hardcountered by cheaper units. Its unable to fight anything on its own unless its infantry with no AT or it have numerical advantage.
There is no reason NOT to make it cheaper in the contrast of sherman and its performance and price.

I don't know why T34 is considered to be so weak.
I play no soviet game without it.

25 May 2015, 07:52 AM
#112
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Currently, unless you play Industry, there is no reason to choose T-34/76. Frankly, the HT is the only redeeming features for T3, T4 is much more reliable.
25 May 2015, 07:54 AM
#113
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 May 2015, 07:49 AMKatitof

Its worst tank in game which is hardcountered by cheaper units. Its unable to fight anything on its own unless its infantry with no AT or it have numerical advantage.
There is no reason NOT to make it cheaper in the contrast of sherman and its performance and price.



"Hardcountered". Lol. I like how you use words that you have no clue what they mean. I am not the one willing to enlighten you, I'll just let you crawl in the darkness and have fun all the way while crying rivers of tears about how weak are the soviets and their tools. Even trying to argue against such foolish claims is not worth it.
25 May 2015, 08:13 AM
#114
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"Hypothetically"- say t34/76s come later than they do now, making them 80 fuel would give amassed t34/76s viability because they become more affordable at the cost of early t34 rushes. I hardly think the unit needs much changing as far as performance goes. Just they are too expensive. T34/76s should not feel expensive. They are the one of the only, if not the only tank that should be spammed.
25 May 2015, 08:17 AM
#115
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Well, daspoulos, what would be a good idea is one thing, that relic will do is another.

They usually mix good idea with two terrible ones.
25 May 2015, 08:21 AM
#116
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 May 2015, 08:17 AMKatitof
Well, daspoulos, what would be a good idea is one thing, that relic will do is another.

They usually mix good idea with two terrible ones.

Sure is fun trying to craft the perfect balance solutions here on the forum, only for it to mean jack shit when you put it into perspective.
25 May 2015, 08:24 AM
#117
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Sure is fun trying to craft the perfect balance solutions here on the forum, only for it to mean jack shit when you put it into perspective.

Yup. Only so much to discuss here, thats why I'm not engaged as much here except utter bs some people spit out.
25 May 2015, 08:54 AM
#118
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One post invised for sharing something that is not meant to be shared to greater audience.
10 Jun 2015, 12:55 PM
#119
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Maybe once every second tank they shoud come in pairs ? ;)
10 Jun 2015, 13:00 PM
#120
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Maybe once every second tank they shoud come in pairs ? ;)


Buff it's reload speed and add soviet war machine to T0. Fixed.
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