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How does smoke work?

27 Nov 2014, 11:04 AM
#1
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Posts: 21

Hi,

sorry for this basic question but I couldn't find anything relevant on the subject of smoke and how does it work. Does it work like an obstacle blocking/worsening the vision of enemy units (i.e. I can hide behind it) or does it make my units harder to hit only when they are within some 'smoked area'?
27 Nov 2014, 11:31 AM
#2
avatar of Spin

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blocks vision of your units and in the process stops them from targeting them - anyone inside the smoke or behind the smoke cannot be seen or targeted to be shot at. Otherwise it does not do anything else

Remember you may still use attack ground function on units to hit them while in smoke - e.g. a tank on a flak half track which uses its smoke.
27 Nov 2014, 12:28 PM
#3
avatar of rhin0x

Posts: 21

Would be nice if we had a indicator on the ground to know what is the AOE
27 Nov 2014, 14:49 PM
#4
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
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last i heard weapons fired through smoke had a higher chance to miss as well.
27 Nov 2014, 17:03 PM
#5
avatar of ZombiFrancis

Posts: 2742

Well, yeah, since attack ground isn't targeting a unit they typically miss their intended 'target'.
Vaz
27 Nov 2014, 17:18 PM
#6
avatar of Vaz

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Smoke interferes with accuracy as well. Shots fired through smoke cover have a high chance to miss. Tanks, at guns, mortars, and other indirect fire weapons will likely not be affected because they rely on scatter values instead of accuracy.
27 Nov 2014, 18:38 PM
#7
avatar of Dullahan

Posts: 1384

It's a bit hard to gauge what is obscured, generally if there's a vehicle wreck or smoke grenade anywhere between you and your opponent, you probably can't hit them. (Even if you can see them)

27 Nov 2014, 18:50 PM
#8
avatar of pantherswag

Posts: 231

Iirc smoke will block line of sight, and any unit firing into or through the smoke will incur an accuracy penalty. This is so even if there's a 2nd spotter unit in the smoke it will still serve its purpose of keeping your units protected and not suppressed.
Vaz
27 Nov 2014, 19:18 PM
#9
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Iirc smoke will block line of sight, and any unit firing into or through the smoke will incur an accuracy penalty. This is so even if there's a 2nd spotter unit in the smoke it will still serve its purpose of keeping your units protected and not suppressed.


If I understand you right, it doesn't work this way, exactly. Even if you have a spotter in or outside the smoke, it pretty much acts like a shot blocker, so units with small arms will run around stupidly trying to reach the target. This lasts only during thick smoke though. I think we likely will need a more advanced research though, to determine what's actually happening. The thick smoke behavior is easy to understand just from playing. The problem is when you look in the stats and find there is smoke cover. It kind of doesn't make sense that there is a smoke cover since smoke is acting a lot like a shot blocker(just you can attack ground through it). It may be possible that when it thins, the smoke cover takes effect at that time. The smoke cover could be active the whole time, but while the smoke is thick it's useless, because no targeting is possible. In coh1 it didn't act like this, you could still target in the smoke, just the smoke cover turned accuracy and suppression to almost nothing.
27 Nov 2014, 20:40 PM
#10
avatar of somenbjorn

Posts: 923

Welcome to Comrade Yuris guide to Smoke!

So Comrades you have smoke but is not sure if fascist dogs still can see you? Да this can be hard problem. But there is quick solution to problem. But it requires very careful analysis so be careful when consuming Vodka before battle.
Is true, Peoples Commissar Voroshilovs ordered minimum 100 grams of Vodka per day, but do not consume all before battle.

Now before you throw smoke is fascist shooting at you? If Njet, why throw smoke suka? Are you sabotaging war effort by wasting the resources the Soviet peopled have slaved to get you? Stupid suka should learn how people and comrade Stalin toil for victory!

So enemy is shooting when you throw smoke. This is good as they waste their bullets shooting. Now when smoke is hit do they continue shoot or do they look like they just lost potato? If they are still shooting you are not in smoke Comrade! Fire at the Germans you too! Or run in smoke because ordered to move back two steps. BUT ONLY IF ORDERED Comrade! Not one step back without order!

They do not shoot? Good you are in smoke? Why are you in smoke? You cannot shoot if in smoke, get out of smoke and kill more Fascists.
If fascists have tank look if turret is moving, this means he still can see you and fire. Destroy tank with fierce rage and love for Comrade Stalin and Soviet Motherland.

Вы понимаю? Good now go throw much smoke and destroy fascist invaders!
27 Nov 2014, 20:54 PM
#11
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Donator 11

Posts: 97

Welcome to Comrade Yuris guide to Smoke!

So Comrades you have smoke but is not sure if fascist dogs still can see you? Да this can be hard problem. But there is quick solution to problem. But it requires very careful analysis so be careful when consuming Vodka before battle.
Is true, Peoples Commissar Voroshilovs ordered minimum 100 grams of Vodka per day, but do not consume all before battle.

Now before you throw smoke is fascist shooting at you? If Njet, why throw smoke suka? Are you sabotaging war effort by wasting the resources the Soviet peopled have slaved to get you? Stupid suka should learn how people and comrade Stalin toil for victory!

So enemy is shooting when you throw smoke. This is good as they waste their bullets shooting. Now when smoke is hit do they continue shoot or do they look like they just lost potato? If they are still shooting you are not in smoke Comrade! Fire at the Germans you too! Or run in smoke because ordered to move back two steps. BUT ONLY IF ORDERED Comrade! Not one step back without order!

They do not shoot? Good you are in smoke? Why are you in smoke? You cannot shoot if in smoke, get out of smoke and kill more Fascists.
If fascists have tank look if turret is moving, this means he still can see you and fire. Destroy tank with fierce rage and love for Comrade Stalin and Soviet Motherland.

Вы понимаю? Good now go throw much smoke and destroy fascist invaders!


I have a sudden desire for Comrade Yuri's Guide to Smoke in Polandball format now.
27 Nov 2014, 21:12 PM
#12
avatar of some one

Posts: 935

How bout to try to use smoke for 3-4 times to find out how that shit works?
28 Nov 2014, 08:14 AM
#13
avatar of Arclyte

Posts: 692

it's a magical substance that immediately calms all who come into contact with it

men and tanks who were killing each other moments before, will completely forget where the enemy is and lay down their arms, even at point blank ranges
28 Nov 2014, 15:46 PM
#14
avatar of PanzerErotica

Posts: 135

jump backJump back to quoted post28 Nov 2014, 08:14 AMArclyte
it's a magical substance that immediately calms all who come into contact with it

men and tanks who were killing each other moments before, will completely forget where the enemy is and lay down their arms, even at point blank ranges


Remembering their general direction doesn´t really help in aiming at something you can´t see.
28 Nov 2014, 17:09 PM
#15
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
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2 Dec 2014, 10:44 AM
#16
avatar of rhin0x

Posts: 21

Sorry for bringing this up again but has anyone tired to clarify this? I hadn't had time to play the game but I am really curious of your discoveries? Is smoke a perma shot blocker or is it a accuracy penalty?
4 Dec 2014, 03:06 AM
#17
avatar of ASneakyFox

Posts: 365

units wont auto attack another unit if they or their target is in smoke. thats the main function of it.
4 Dec 2014, 04:55 AM
#18
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
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Posts: 2470

units inside smoke will not attack or be attacked and attacks through smoke suffer an accuracy penalty. you can still attack ground or use abilities into smoke.
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