Volks are garbage - Run an experiment vs Cons

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 06:15 AMWarthrone

Keep a volks squad in cover.

Use a con squad to use Oorah to run right at the volks they will not even lose 10-15% HP before already reaching the Volks squad and will proceed to outdamage the volks and force a retreat without even throwing a molotov so they shift. If they throw a molotov and force the volks to shift they own them even more so. please note they only have to get within medium range to outperform Volks.

I have trialled this several times.

Volks Need a cheap LMG upgrade to to negate this or an increase in damage or remove Oorah.

Sorry but i dont think waiting less than 0.2 seconds to save 5 MP is worth the difference in performance. Not only that Cons can merge, have AT grenade and Molotov etc. Why the difference in class.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 06:35 AMPorygon

Volks are garbage indeed, only when they are

- alone or small numbers
- vet 0
- without green cover

When you have 3-4 or above, and spam Sandbag in a middle of road without cover around, Volks shine and Rifles becomes garbage, even if they have M1919.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 06:34 AMwongtp

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApmrrrPr20ncdGF4VURuYjVGZXlIN3ptbV8tbzRzN0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0

basic math tells me conscripts have a 0.16dps advantage over volks at close range, thats the only range they beat volks. technically you arent wrong, but you are just ignorant. ooorah stops firing, all the more reason for volks to stop and focus fire.

the only time i see conscripts tossing molotovs and beating volks at mid range is when okw player fails to focus fire, allowing a full hp conscript to get into molotov range and then failing to react to the molotov animation. this scenario i described, is seriously in every sense of the phase 'an L2P issue'.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 06:41 AMWarthrone

This argument simply falls through. Im saying in a 1v1 scenario that is what happends. this simply can hold true in a 3v3 scenario too where all 3 squads can oorah and still dominate volks.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 06:44 AMPorygon

You realise I am basically a 1v1 player, don't you?

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 06:47 AMWarthrone

I wasnt talking about 1v1 player wise. I was talking squad wise. Lol.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 06:49 AMPorygon

Dude, it is really a L2P issue. You don't send a Volks fighting anything, anyone, alone, because they suck alone, same as Ostheer Gren, period.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 07:00 AMWarthrone

Dude this makes no sense. Im saying run the experiment. It makes no difference if its 3 volk squads vs 3 con squads the outocme is the same if you use oorah and close in to negate the cover of volks and is even worse when you throw molo. at least grens have Rifle nades and LMG upgrade to someone punish this.

Volks have nothing.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 07:10 AMCruzz

A finer example of an L2P thread I have yet to see.

I guess you stopping playing this game didn't mean you were about to stop posting. Shame.

There are very good reasons for why basically nobody playing soviets against OKW is going for multiple conscripts, and you are apparently incapable of seeing any of them.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 07:00 AMWarthrone

Dude this makes no sense. Im saying run the experiment. It makes no difference if its 3 volk squads vs 3 con squads the outocme is the same if you use oorah and close in to negate the cover of volks and is even worse when you throw molo. at least grens have Rifle nades and LMG upgrade to someone punish this.

Volks have nothing.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 07:41 AMJaigen

Then get obers. this faction plays a bit similar to the IG of DOW2 : guardsmen in the front stormtroopers in the back was a common tactic. same goes for the okw get those volks in front of the obers.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2014, 08:37 AMWarthrone

This is nothing about positioning or being a L2P issue. Im simply saying what has happened when i ran this experiment. And i replicated it several times with the same outcome.